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Started by Agaliarept on 15-Feb-2017 09:16:16
Ukip Dont want the northern working class vote
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Agaliarept - 15 Feb 2017 09:17:29 (#1 of 54)

I mean really?

The day after the leader is caught making up stories, this guy comes and puts both feet in his mouth.

Arron Banks, the biggest donor to Ukip, has said that he is “sick to death of hearing about” the Hillsborough stadium disaster in which 96 people died, describing it as an “awful accident” that “could have happened anywhere, anytime” in the 1980s. He also accused one of his critics of “milking a tragedy forever”.

darkhorse - 15 Feb 2017 09:27:05 (#2 of 54)

Surely this all started because Nuttall was trying to "milk" the tragedy for his own cynical self-promotion.

TommyDGNR8 - 15 Feb 2017 09:31:30 (#3 of 54)

You'll hear pretty much exactly the same thing in many northern pubs outside Liverpool.

Ginmonkey - 15 Feb 2017 09:32:11 (#4 of 54)

Banks is a stupid twat. Hillsborough wasn't an accident but a catastrophic health and safety failure coupled with appalling behaviour by the police and establishment based on extreme prejudice. Then compounded by lies, cover ups and contempt for the victims and their families.

What a clot.

Agaliarept - 15 Feb 2017 09:34:10 (#5 of 54)

Surely this all started because Nuttall was trying to "milk" the tragedy for his own cynical self-promotion.

That's what I was thinking!

darkhorse - 15 Feb 2017 09:34:55 (#6 of 54)

Banks is just putting this out to change the subject from Nuttall.

But it isn't even logically consistent, if these were his true feelings, he should be berating Nuttall.

Jacob_Richter - 15 Feb 2017 10:20:20 (#7 of 54)

"logically consistent"? The UKIPs?

GreenFuture - 15 Feb 2017 11:04:22 (#8 of 54)

Everyone assumes that Ukip is the natural home for the working class, brexit voting traditional Labour voters.

- Everyone

+ The preening London bubble of lazy reactionary fake "journalists" and UKIPs drooling army of dupes.

mememe - 15 Feb 2017 11:07:09 (#9 of 54)

I don't know - they came second in an awful lot of staunchly Labour constituencies which reported large drops in Labour majority in 2015 (before Labour went nuts). Hard to see where else these people are coming from.

BlankChank - 15 Feb 2017 11:23:22 (#10 of 54)

'You'll hear pretty much exactly the same thing in many northern pubs outside Liverpool.'

True, unfortunately.

Agaliarept - 15 Feb 2017 11:25:28 (#11 of 54)

Though I'm sure not many of those in those pubs are trying to get elected.

Tenesmus - 15 Feb 2017 11:28:17 (#12 of 54)

'You'll hear pretty much exactly the same thing in many northern pubs outside Liverpool.'

Really? Christ. I'm happy to say I've never heard anyone say anything like that.

dmlc133 - 15 Feb 2017 11:28:22 (#13 of 54)

Plenty of people are sick to death of hearing about Arron Banks but he doesn't show any signs of shutting up.

zardoz - 15 Feb 2017 11:28:55 (#14 of 54)

You'll hear pretty much exactly the same thing in many northern pubs outside Liverpool.

Yes exactly. There are plenty of 'no smoke without fire' knobheads around, in a significantly intersecting set with the UKIP vote.

Clearly he's not done himself any good lying about losing people there, but the idea that the flat capped northern working class stand arm in arm in their sentimental recognition of The Ninety Six is just nonsense.

GreenFuture - 15 Feb 2017 11:30:00 (#15 of 54)

I don't know - they came second in an awful lot of staunchly Labour constituencies

Sure, after many years of hard effort to advertise them as said alternative to Labour, especially when Labour went into opposition and there was even more need for this fake alternative.

Circa 2008/9 typical UKIP polling was between 5 and 10%. The amount of coverage heaped on them as "anti establishment", especially NF, was enormous so of course people bought it after a while.

This latest scandal wont make much difference. the establishment would love UKIP to win Stoke and it all counts as name recognition in the post-fact world.

JohnIlly - 15 Feb 2017 11:31:50 (#16 of 54)

I can't say that I have ever heard anyone talking about Hillsborough in the pub. Mind you, I live in Bradford.

BlankChank - 15 Feb 2017 11:35:49 (#17 of 54)

In Sheffield, opinion splits pretty much 50-50 depending on whether the people concerned want to exonerate Sheffield Wednesday or not.

The argument that it could have happened to anyone in the 1980s is narrowly fair - it nearly happened at the same ground to Spurs and Villa fans and it nearly happened to the Scousers the previous year.

GreenFuture - 15 Feb 2017 11:40:34 (#18 of 54)

I was at the last glastonbury before the new wall and the first one after (late 90s IIRC)

Saturday night the Manics were on the main stage, Stereophonics on the 2nd largest. They finished within 20 mins of each other. The crowds converged at a standard size farmers gate. I have never been so anxious about a crush. It could have made Hillsborough look minor. People moaned about the 2nd wall but it was neccessary.

Snarlygog - 15 Feb 2017 11:50:54 (#19 of 54)

Donington 88 could have been far worse - there had been mud and turf fights all morning so the bank in front of the stage was greasy as hell.

Ginmonkey - 15 Feb 2017 11:55:04 (#20 of 54)

I think it is a fair comment that it could have happened in many football grounds, Mr Monkey's tales of attending football matches in the 1980's are hair raising. However Hillsborough was more than just a tragic accident.

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