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Started by machiavelli on 15-Feb-2017 14:09:20
Cuts kill patient.

Allegedly

A woman died from a brain haemorrhage after at least three hospitals refused to admit her for surgery because they had no intensive care beds.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/15/wo
man-mary-muldowney-died-after-three-hospitals-refused-to-admit-her-for-surgery

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bossab2 - 16 Feb 2017 06:24:23 (#1 of 24)

Nobody gives a fuck Mac.

machiavelli - 16 Feb 2017 06:25:43 (#2 of 24)

They will.

thisonehasalittlehat - 16 Feb 2017 06:26:16 (#3 of 24)

Only if you hit an artery.

bossab2 - 16 Feb 2017 06:30:39 (#4 of 24)

No one is going to accept that things are spiralling out of control Mac.

The NHS is fucked - but it contains a lot of middle class buck passers who will just come up with excuses ( as per the last paragraph in that article )

machiavelli - 16 Feb 2017 06:32:32 (#5 of 24)

I hope Corbyn waves it in May's face. I'd be interested to hear her answer.

SinnerBoy - 16 Feb 2017 06:45:11 (#6 of 24)

She'd claim that it was an unfortunate one-off.

Is there no way that she could have been seen in the first hospital? 87℅ bed occupancy suggests, to me, that there was at least one available.

bossab2 - 16 Feb 2017 07:04:07 (#7 of 24)

I deal with the NHS constantly: its fucked. Its in a death spiral of administrative breakdown.

RosyLovelady - 16 Feb 2017 08:21:52 (#8 of 24)

Our rulers will be thrilled to know that someone thinks the NHS is fucked; they think it follows that it should be privatised pdq.

hailesaladdie - 16 Feb 2017 08:24:20 (#9 of 24)

> 87℅ bed occupancy suggests, to me, that there was at least one available.

It's the type of bed that's available that matters, though. After that kind of surgery, you'd need high dependency or ITU.

Thoroughly recommend the BBC Hospital series, especially the first couple of episodes, to illustrate this effect.

Gotout - 16 Feb 2017 09:00:57 (#10 of 24)

The Tory plan to drive the NHS out of existence is working well.

col2001 - 16 Feb 2017 09:07:37 (#11 of 24)

The re-rating of business property means that rates will go up for hospital trusts, what with their selfish occupancy of prime executive-apartment land.

In a sane world, government would just pay the bills. It is not a sane world, so this will require hospital trusts to innovate (make more cuts).

HOSPITALS ARE NOT FUCKING BUSINESSES.

thisonehasalittlehat - 16 Feb 2017 09:08:56 (#12 of 24)

Private hospitals are.

invicta - 16 Feb 2017 09:12:36 (#13 of 24)

It's not a Tory plan, but people are going to have to accept that the continuation of the NHS is going to be reliant on the breaking of a latter day political taboo; that of rises in direct taxation.

SinnerBoy - 16 Feb 2017 10:31:40 (#14 of 24)

Yeees...

"Let's cut funding, load them with debt, to companies in which we have an interest, then close a load of them, so that people have to travel 60 miles after a stroke!"

And why, sir, would you wish that?

"Why! It will demonstrate that publicly funded institutions are rubbish and inefficient! Then, we can sell them off to our friends, for a pittance; or better still, give them away! And they'll still be funded by the Proles' taxes!"

Ah, now I understand. Let me have another slice of that baby panda....

TinyMcOtter - 16 Feb 2017 10:45:46 (#15 of 24)

Why can't the government be sued for manslaughter for these types of things? It's clearly gross negligence (if not intentional policy) that people die in many of these cases.

yumyum - 16 Feb 2017 10:50:23 (#16 of 24)

Thoroughly recommend the BBC Hospital series, especially the first couple of episodes, to illustrate this effect.

Fantastic series. It should be compulsive viewing for everyone.

machiavelli - 16 Feb 2017 10:50:36 (#17 of 24)

Why can't the government be sued for manslaughter for these types of things? It's clearly gross negligence (if not intentional policy) that people die in many of these cases.

Because no part of the machinery will ever let the chain of blame reach a minister.

GreenFuture - 16 Feb 2017 11:07:22 (#18 of 24)

Tories are allowed to destroy the NHS, because Brexit means other stuff gets far less attention. Proles people dying horribly is just a bonus.

Brunothecat - 16 Feb 2017 11:14:14 (#19 of 24)

Why can't the government be sued for manslaughter

I may have misunderstood this, butI think Lansley's bill pushed through by Cameron and Clegg removes any legal respopsibility to provide care. I think it used to fall on the minister of health, but responsibility is of course being written out of public services as they are sold off.

mancurse - 16 Feb 2017 11:15:05 (#20 of 24)

Bossab - stop slagging off the NHS, you whiny little cuntmonkey. It has saved your life. and you want to sue it for giving you cancer. You are an absolute nightmare of a patient.

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