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Started by OldLefty on Dec 26, 2018 12:24:13 PM
Timber framed houses - yes or no?

Same people say they are fine, others say don't touch them. Do you have experience of them? Have you had problems with the structure, insurance, mortgage, or anything else? Should I expect to pay a lower price than for an otherwise similar house in brick or stone?

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InternationalVicar - 26 Dec 2018 12:27:59 (#1 of 95)

... and when you wake up you might not be in Kansas.

TheVoiceOfReason - 26 Dec 2018 12:28:02 (#2 of 95)

They’re very common in Australia and New Zealand. Can be a pain to put pictures up as you have to keep searching for a wooden upright. IME not noticeably warmer or colder.

Verdigris - 26 Dec 2018 12:39:11 (#3 of 95)

I'd say it is about 50/50 between timber frame and masonry in new build construction, these days. Timber frame has the potential to be better insulated but I suspect most developers only build to minimum standard.

As far as hanging pictures is concerned, masonry houses are usually dot and dab dry lined, so you need to use cavity fixings for all construction types.

foghorn - 26 Dec 2018 13:00:09 (#4 of 95)

I take it you aren´t talking about the old European timber frame, more the U.S. style?

I´m a recent convert. Its a fast, relatively simple, versatile and cost effective building method and makes very cosy homes. We just got a Cape Cod style place that is very old. Its a bit wonky, but has been kept upgraded to government standards. Some unfamiliar insurance issues, but after a little initial unfamiliarity uneasiness I´m over any prejudice about living in a glorified shack. On the other side of the pond, the new masonry homes appear to be the same basic raw construction from what I have seen, only with single layer brick cladding.

OldLefty - 26 Dec 2018 13:08:45 (#5 of 95)

You can't tell by looking whether a house is timber framed. A timber framed house can have brick cladding for cosmetic reasons, and a brick or stone house can have render applied.

InternationalVicar - 26 Dec 2018 13:32:35 (#6 of 95)

you can tell it's timber framed when the structural engineer tells you to move out immediately and the insurance company points out that the wooden bits aren't insured.

bossab2 - 26 Dec 2018 13:40:55 (#7 of 95)

Seasoned oak frame held together with oak pegs = will last for centuries.

Cheap pine held together with bits of metal = will last for decades.

nolongerstumpy - 26 Dec 2018 15:51:29 (#8 of 95)

Good timber framed houses can last for a very long time if properly looked after.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Craftsman

HoHoHoff - 26 Dec 2018 15:56:07 (#9 of 95)

Structural straw bale too.

CaptainBlack - 26 Dec 2018 18:44:15 (#10 of 95)

Trees stand round in all weathers and it doesn't bother them.

Pentecost - 26 Dec 2018 18:49:46 (#11 of 95)

As far as hanging pictures is concerned, masonry houses are usually dot and dab dry lined,

The worst invention ever in the history of building materials is plasterboard.

thisonehasalittlehat - 26 Dec 2018 18:51:09 (#12 of 95)

Asbestos.

sqeezy - 26 Dec 2018 18:53:15 (#13 of 95)

What's wrong with a house that's cheaper and quicker to build? We think of houses too much as assets rather than places to live. Also wooden houses smell nice.

Pentecost - 26 Dec 2018 18:53:51 (#14 of 95)

Sorry. Asbestos. Yes.

4CorbynBirds_3LePens - 26 Dec 2018 20:15:42 (#15 of 95)

This article suggests that timber framed houses built between 1945 and 1970 could be a problem.

https://www.peterbarry.co.uk/houses-of-non-traditional-construction-common-property-defects-6/

bossab2 - 26 Dec 2018 20:43:11 (#16 of 95)

There are 500 year old oak framed buildings around here still going strong.

Anchorman - 26 Dec 2018 20:47:06 (#17 of 95)

Timber framed buildings ,built to last, could last hubdreds of years. The problem is that except for high end houses most developers houses for average folk are built down to a cost. It would be fairly easy to change building codes to ensure only long lasting properties are built.

Verdigris - 26 Dec 2018 22:34:08 (#18 of 95)

This article suggests that timber framed houses built between 1945 and 1970 could be a problem.



That's because they were put up by idle, slapdash, Brits. We will probably return to this state of affairs when we send all the plucky Poles and other EU construction workers home.

Anchorman - 26 Dec 2018 23:39:56 (#19 of 95)

reverse racism

Verdigris - 26 Dec 2018 23:44:03 (#20 of 95)

Timber frame got a bad name after a Panorama (I think) programme revealed that poor workmanship and detailing by large developers was the cause of problems in timber frame housing. A similar story led to the Ronan Point disaster.

We didn't have EU construction workers, back then, so I am just stating a fact.

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