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Started by KanKhaderKhanKan on Apr 6, 2021 7:52:02 PM
Recommended reading lists on the construction of Dutch 'Serpentine fruit walls' and Victorian 'hot walls'

Today on the internet I accidentally stumbled onto the fascinating subject of 'fruit walls' (see link below) and the section that particularly got my attention was the use and construction of 'serpentine fruit walls' in Holland as well as the Victorian construction and use of 'hot walls'.

https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/12/fruit-walls-urban-farming.html

"In these “hot walls”, horizontal flues were running to and fro, opening into chimneys on top of the wall. Initially, the hollow walls were heated by fires lit inside, or by small furnaces located at the back of the wall. During the second half of the nineteenth century, more and more heated fruit walls were warmed by hot water pipes."

The thing is I can't seem to find many relevant books on the topic so do you guys have any recommended reading on this area?

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KanKhaderKhanKan - 06 Apr 2021 19:54:06 (#1 of 18)

I've found one or two books on 'Espalier' but nothing much on 'serpentine walls' and 'heated walls'.

Dubris - 06 Apr 2021 19:56:50 (#2 of 18)

Crinkle crankle walls are similar to the serpentine walls in shape, although not normally heated in the British context. I don't have any reading suggestions, but it might be something else to search for.

AlanII - 06 Apr 2021 19:58:04 (#3 of 18)

You find similar constructions heating frescoes during the Roman period.

Verdigris - 06 Apr 2021 19:59:57 (#4 of 18)

Not very green, though. Just plain walls would be quite effective, these days, with higher summer temperatures to heat them. Then you need to consider the embedded carbon used in making the bricks.

Might be worth looking at any Bob Flowerdew books; he's keen on modern equivalents of that sort of thing, and there might be references included.

tasselhoff - 06 Apr 2021 20:15:24 (#5 of 18)

Another tangential technology is Trombe walls.

bossab2 - 06 Apr 2021 20:16:06 (#6 of 18)

The National Trust might have something.

Walled gardens were standard issue at your average country posh house.

TenGorillas - 06 Apr 2021 20:43:06 (#7 of 18)

Funnily enough I was reading something the other day about the peach walls in Montreuil being given protected status. https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/03/04/the-last-peach-orchards-of-paris/

HouseOfLametta - 06 Apr 2021 20:51:40 (#8 of 18)

They are (in modern parlance) passive solar, though.

https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/12/fruit-walls-urban-farming.html

I was going to build a house like that, once.

tasselhoff - 06 Apr 2021 21:38:48 (#9 of 18)

I still intend to, one of these days

PoppySeedBagel - 06 Apr 2021 21:44:02 (#10 of 18)

I got this lovely book as a present, and have read about half (the font is palish grey so hard to read):

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Natural-History-English-Gardening-1650-1800/dp/0300196369

It explains quite a lot about ‘stoves’, (greenhouses heated by stoves) so may go on to walls.

tasselhoff - 06 Apr 2021 21:49:03 (#11 of 18)

It's all about yer thermal mass.

Tomnoddy - 10 Apr 2021 06:54:47 (#12 of 18)

#10 - Grey print is the bane of my life, Poppy. I've given up on several books because of that recently.

Apols for derailing thread.

JennyRad - 10 Apr 2021 10:33:56 (#13 of 18)

I haven't had that with books, but oh, gods, websites with grey text ... why do people think this is a good idea??

Delighted_User - 10 Apr 2021 10:55:20 (#14 of 18)

As with a lot of this sort of thing, the answer is probably 'because they can'. But actual books with grey text? Where are these monstrosities to be avoided found?

browserbutton - 10 Apr 2021 10:57:01 (#15 of 18)

Back in the 60s, some underground magazines had pink print on turquoise pages. That was some weird shit to read.

RosyLovelady - 10 Apr 2021 11:01:53 (#16 of 18)

Oz did a lot of that. They said it was to prevent old people with fading sight from fully appreciating the quality of the prose.

Tomnoddy - 11 Apr 2021 00:07:47 (#17 of 18)

When I talk of grey text, quite a few books seem to be printed using a very un-intense black print. It maybe intended to be black, but looks greyish and hard to read under artificial light. I'm genuinely not sure whether it actually is meant to be grey or not.

If course, maybe my eyesight is getting shitter.

LordofMisrule - 11 Apr 2021 01:01:35 (#18 of 18)

Is this purely historical interest, or are you looking for a how-to guide?

Heated walls were covered in The Victorian Kitchen Garden: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5mpe2b

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