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Started by BlankChank on Jun 29, 2016 1:10:23 PM
This two-tier test cricket mularkey....
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cozzer - 29 Jun 2016 13:43:06 (#1 of 13)

I read as far as 'minimum three test series' and I am now enthusiastically in favour.

moonriver - 29 Jun 2016 13:51:58 (#2 of 13)

I'm kind of resigned to it now. Getting old, and think fuck it, I was lucky to live so long before they ruined it.

Think three day tests on minor county championship rules with bonus points and a league would be fun in an absurd sort of way if you must arse about with it though.

cozzer - 29 Jun 2016 13:55:15 (#3 of 13)

I was lucky to live so long before they ruined it.



Did you read the article? the whole point is that people have been complaining about test cricket being ruined from the start. Why do you think this will ruin it? Surely taking Zimbabwe and Bangladesh out of the equation can only improve it?

moonriver - 29 Jun 2016 14:05:48 (#4 of 13)

Of course, my favourite cricket quotes are CP Snow's from the 20s about cricket ceasing to be cricket when it becomes 'brighter' as the aspiration to make it used to be.

But it's dull, it's boring, it's ugly, it's taking test status too seriously, it's creating more pointless hierarchies, it's more pandering to the people that only understand winning and losing, this.

Bleu11 - 29 Jun 2016 15:08:21 (#5 of 13)

Sports is entertainment. If you don't figure out a way to get more eyeballs while considering the competitors for the same eyeballs, you'd run into issues sooner or later.

BlankChank - 29 Jun 2016 15:39:01 (#6 of 13)

I have two fundamental problems with it:

- I don't see how booting them into the second tier can possibly boost Windies' enthusiasm for test cricket, whatever Andy Bull thinks. Ditto Sri Lanka, 'rebuilding' phase or not.

- I can't help but fear for England when they slip into the second tier in due course and have to grovel to Aussie and India for test series. And if that sounds fanciful given that series against England remain one of the few profitable elements of the test calendar, then that itself highlights the absurdity of the proposal.

cozzer - 29 Jun 2016 15:43:41 (#7 of 13)

- I don't see how booting them into the second tier can possibly boost Windies' enthusiasm for test cricket, whatever Andy Bull thinks. Ditto Sri Lanka, 'rebuilding' phase or not.

I don't see how keeping them in the top tier is going to help either.

I think moonriver saying 'I was lucky to live so long before they ruined it' is interesting - I think people think that how things were when they were growing up is the way things should be, but that period may have just been a historical anomaly, and there isn't any reason why things should stay like that.

Bleu11 - 29 Jun 2016 16:19:55 (#8 of 13)

Keeping the Test matches as an elite product as much as possible while still figuring out a way for the lower ranked teams to compete with the higher ranked teams more than once every few years is the problem to solve.

One of the solutions could be 3-way Test series. E.g., if England is a top-ranked team, they could invite two lower ranked teams for a simultaneous tour with all three playing against each other once in the round robin stage. The two teams with the most points can then compete in the finals.

Obviously, the point system (and the revenue sharing) is something that needs to be worked out. There should at least be a tie breaker system if the points are only awarded for wins and losses.

If the two visiting teams play the first Test of the series, it would also help the visitors get acclimatized to the conditions so their subsequent matches would be equivalent to the second and third Tests of a current series.

This could be slightly better than the simple promotion/relegation system which may lead to more ghettoization.

moonriver - 29 Jun 2016 17:01:19 (#9 of 13)

Ideally, I suppose, you'd organize it on a continental basis, just have one team for each of Africa, America, Asia, Australia, Europe, and Yorkshire. That way you'd play full home and away series every five years against everybody. I obviously prefer the longer games.

But whatever. I find increasingly the things that piss me off most about the modern cricket are the aesthetic ones - the horrible clothes, shots, stadiums, commentary, music, advertising &c. Present me with something in white on green and the other things don't grate so much.

BlankChank - 29 Jun 2016 17:37:34 (#10 of 13)

Well, if we are opening up the debate a bit, big, 'eavy bats and artificially curtailed boundaries are two of my personal bugbears. I don't like to see someone as puny as Joe Root miscuing a six.

Shadrack22 - 15 Feb 2021 14:29:29 (#11 of 13)

Shadrack22 - 15 Feb 2021 14:29:45 (#12 of 13)

It works!

fogger - 15 Feb 2021 17:34:48 (#13 of 13)

What does?

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