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Started by LordofMisrule on May 29, 2019 11:10:32 AM
Cricketers switching nationalities

Dedicated thread to debate the rights, wrongs and logistics of this contentious issue.

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LordofMisrule - 29 May 2019 11:11:18 (#1 of 23)

... thereby keeping it out of the World Cup thread.

cozzer - 29 May 2019 11:18:24 (#2 of 23)

Where will we talk about Jofra Archer, though, given that he hasn't switched nationality?

lammaMia - 29 May 2019 12:43:55 (#3 of 23)

when I see SA, I want to see their team full of players who developed their game in their system and showing the best of it.. I don’t see it packed with players from other countries who decided to move as adults.

Pro sports marched away from being nationalistic war on the field. It's not far from the other side of the coin which doubted the sincerity of swarthy spectators in English Test grounds.

What's easier to tell someone else: don't enjoy coins and become an economic migrant. Cricket brain drain is bad for your country, yo.

cozzer - 29 May 2019 13:03:08 (#4 of 23)

Wouldn't you need a control group to compare against for that to be true?

No, you can say that the history of international cricket, stretching back some 130 years, has included players switching countries, or playing for countries other than that in which they were born. It doesn't appear, up until now, to have made any appreciable difference, so I don't see why it should suddenly be such a problem.

cozzer - 29 May 2019 13:04:45 (#5 of 23)

I could see Ireland and Afghanistan taking players born and educated in England and Pakistan respectively on the basis of heritage or passport.

Not even could , you can . cf the aforementioned Tim Murtagh (among others - Ed Joyce even switched nationalities).

LordofMisrule - 29 May 2019 13:32:09 (#6 of 23)

#2 Bugger, yeah. If anyone can come up with a succinct way of expressing that better, can we change the thread title?

Moschops - 29 May 2019 13:34:15 (#7 of 23)

Flag of convenience?

LordofMisrule - 29 May 2019 13:38:13 (#8 of 23)

Or should this thread attempt to encompass other debates about the world game (expanding or otherwise), and the place of 'national' sides/inter-national competition within it?

Whither international cricket?

LordofMisrule - 29 May 2019 13:41:00 (#9 of 23)

That's not bad actually, 'chops.

Could do with a list of current internationals who were brought up in a different system to the one they currently represent. I'm in work now but I'll have a look when I get home tonight.

spirali - 03 Jun 2019 20:54:13 (#10 of 23)

Today I was introduced to a new work colleague who hails from Barbados.

Asked him what he thought about Archer.

Big intake of breath, followed by slow exhalation through puffed cheeks.

"Mixed", he said. "OK, go where the opportunities are".

Pause.

"But..".. a few jabs of the forefinger for emphasis.. "he's a TRAITOR".

I guess that answered my question.

lammaMia - 03 Jun 2019 20:58:23 (#11 of 23)

Is he someone who moved from his native lands to make better fortunes elsewhere?

DesEsseintes - 03 Jun 2019 21:00:50 (#12 of 23)

Emotionally, I still feel only Yorkshire people should play for Yorkshire.

Intellectually, that is obviously nonsense, however.

And the same goes for other countries.

All identification is pathological.

Arjuna - 03 Jun 2019 21:02:19 (#13 of 23)

The bit I think is daft is when someone plays for two countries.

fogger - 04 Jun 2019 18:38:54 (#14 of 23)

You mean like people playing for 'the West Indies'?

spirali - 25 Jul 2019 12:11:01 (#15 of 23)

Tim Murtagh played for England U19.

cozzer - 25 Jul 2019 12:23:13 (#16 of 23)

Yes, hence #5

spirali - 25 Jul 2019 12:27:12 (#17 of 23)

Ah yes.

De Grandhomme crossed my radar too during the WC - he played for Zim U19. But I wasn’t sure this thread needed stirring up.

Zymurgy1 - 14 Dec 2020 12:28:51 (#18 of 23)

All else being equal, you should be part of the country you are representing

Dual nationality - go for it, pick the one you want

Historically, I’m divided on Kepler. He shouldn’t have played for Australia but WSC also was an exceptional and game changing time for cricket

States and counties have long been non representative but countries have some semblance of representation

Arjuna - 14 Dec 2020 12:37:38 (#19 of 23)

just pick a country and stay with it

kalva44 - 14 Dec 2020 15:57:38 (#20 of 23)

No team should have more than one player who either represented another country at U19 or above level or made his first class debut as a domestic player in another country.

One player like that is acceptable as it's an exception...more than that is a pattern.

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