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Started by fogger on Oct 3, 2019 6:22:45 PM
The Hundred Thread

Like cricket, but slightly different.

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fogger - 03 Oct 2019 18:23:43 (#1 of 108)

I'm beginning to get a bit tired of grumpy cricket writers being grumpy about The Hundred.

TRaney - 03 Oct 2019 18:29:17 (#2 of 108)

Test cricket is the only cricket. And so ends the sermon.

fogger - 03 Oct 2019 18:47:21 (#3 of 108)

But this has family-friendly shirt sponsors and free-to-air broadcasts and booze-free stands and Johnny Bairstow banished to Wales.

spirali - 03 Oct 2019 19:22:31 (#4 of 108)

I'm beginning to get a bit tired of grumpy cricket writers being grumpy about The Hundred

I know what you mean. I’m starting to reconsider my implacable opposition to it, simply because being told what to think about it is getting irksome.

That said, I’m reminded of the Millennium Dome. I got quite irritated by constantly reading/hearing about how laughably crap that was, especially when it was evident that people saying it was crap were just parroting what they’d read. So I went to see it for myself, on one of the last days it was open.

It was laughably crap.

fogger - 03 Oct 2019 19:39:59 (#5 of 108)

I'm ignoring the 10 ball over element entirely and focusing on the FTA broadcasts and fewer teams/biggest grounds/better players aspect. Will probs take my six-year-old to watch Stokes playing for the Northern Tax Avoiders.

DesEsseintes - 03 Oct 2019 22:12:33 (#6 of 108)

I will not be watching the LEEDS overchargers.

kalva44 - 04 Oct 2019 10:20:49 (#7 of 108)

The idea of having a family friendly tournament is great.. the idea that you need to create a new format has everything to do with money.Total BS and unnecessary. Also going to ruin the existing formats in English cricket.Have one Test and a couple of ODIs and T20s FTA and you will see the game build.

No need to create a new format and alienate many supporters in the process!

Arjuna - 04 Oct 2019 10:26:56 (#8 of 108)

I vaguely remember an Australian over being eight balls but hadn't realised it had varied so much before 1980

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_(cricket)

TRaney - 04 Oct 2019 10:27:57 (#9 of 108)

1.62/1.68

fogger - 04 Oct 2019 10:35:36 (#10 of 108)

the idea that you need to create a new format has everything to do with money... Have one Test and a couple of ODIs and T20s FTA and you will see the game build.

Problem the ECB has is that making Tests, ODIs and T20s FTA will reduce the amount of money it can fleece from Sky. So, yes, it has everything to do with money. But that money isn't just going into Colin Graves' pocket. For once thing it goes into the players' central contracts that has helped England maintain a semi-decent cricket team rather than watching its players retire and jolly off round the world in franchise cricket.

Another problem is the lack of appetite to broadcast Test cricket on FTA telly. Certainly C4 would have loved the final day at Headingley, but I doubt they'd have wanted to clear their schedules for the England Ireland Test in May.

I'm not disagreeing with you - I think having, say, the Oval Test each year on FTA would be fab, and surely some of the county T20 championship could be on FTA, but it's not a black and white decision.

With that in mind, coming up with a new tournament and splitting rights between subscription/FTA, and reducing the number of teams to shorten the schedule to get more global SUPERSTARS involved, isn't necessarily idiotic.

Having 10-ball overs maybe is.

cozzer - 04 Oct 2019 10:37:43 (#11 of 108)

Problem the ECB has is that making Tests, ODIs and T20s FTA will reduce the amount of money it can fleece from Sky.

Make the first test of the series FTA. this can be sold as a benefit to Sky, because people who watch the test may then shell out to be able to watch the rest of the series.

Of course, as you point out, this involves finding a FTA TV channel who will show the cricket.

fogger - 04 Oct 2019 10:44:55 (#12 of 108)

Having just looked at the deal, I'd forgotten that it also includes two T20 internationals being shown on the BBC each year, plus highlights of England men/women international matches. Presumably hosted by David Gower.

And it's worth over £1bn - more than double the previous deal.

kalva44 - 04 Oct 2019 11:37:30 (#13 of 108)

FTA tv shows Wimbledon non stop for 2 weeks.. many of those people barely follow tennis the rest of the time.If Wimbledon was on Sky, the ratings would be minuscule compared to what it is now.The reason tv agrees to show Wimbledon is because it’s always been on.. the original decision to take ALL domestic internationals from FTA was totally brainless. If Wimbledon was ever taken off, there is no way but would ever get back on!

fogger - 04 Oct 2019 12:23:26 (#14 of 108)

Well, quite. But just because the original decision to give Sky ALL THE CRICKET was brainless, it doesn't mean the new deal and Hundred is also brainless.

cozzer - 04 Oct 2019 12:32:29 (#15 of 108)

No, the Hundred is brainless on its own terms.

kalva44 - 04 Oct 2019 14:35:32 (#16 of 108)

The idea that you have to create a new format which totally re-writes the rules as you think that’s the only way 20%of matches will be covered on FTA tv while there is another domestic tournament going on at the same time makes it brainless!!!

cozzer - 04 Oct 2019 14:57:54 (#17 of 108)

create a new format which totally re-writes the rules

But it doesn't, does it? I think that's one of the failures of the Hundred. It was supposed to be a more simplified game that would appeal to people who weren't into cricket. But as far as I know (unless I've missed some press release recently), all that is different is the number of balls in the over (and that effectively the number of balls in the over is not constant, because one bowler can bowl 5 or 10 balls consecutively). So I think it's failed all round. It's not different enough to existing formats to make it worthwhile, but it's too different that it is likely to be off putting to existing fans.

None of this would matter so much if there was room in the schedule. But there is already a shortened form that's supposed to be more appealing to cricket agnostics (and which apparently genuinely is appealing, if you go by the crowd numbers at many (although not all) counties). And as far as I understand it, the having matches on FTA television is a red herring, because the deal had already been struck to have T20s on FTA, they've just replaced those T20s with the Hundred.

to accommodate the tournament, they're pissing over the 50 over competition, just at the time when the men's team has become world champions. So come the next world cup, none of the defending champions are likely to have played a 50 over game, other than internationals, for three years. And it further pushes the championship to the edges of the summer.

Towlie - 04 Oct 2019 21:03:25 (#18 of 108)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49932363

The Hundred: Cricket tournament criticised over snack deal

Robert Key and Samit Patel unavailable for comment.

fogger - 04 Oct 2019 22:16:56 (#19 of 108)

FFS, there's nowt wrong with Butterkist.

spirali - 04 Oct 2019 22:59:00 (#20 of 108)

Ah, those innocent days when two of the major county competitions were sponsored by B&H and John Player.

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