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Started by Boog23 on Aug 10, 2015 10:19:28 AM
The Legacy of Fukushima

A thread to post news reports detailing all consequences of the disaster at Fukushima; environmental, political, economic, industrial, medical etc.

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Boog23 - 10 Aug 2015 10:20:53 (#1 of 63)

This morning, there is a report from Natural News about the scale of whale mortality in the Pacific...

http://www.naturalnews.com/050718_Fukushima_radiat
ion_whale_deaths_Pacific_Ocean.html

Pinkgum - 10 Aug 2015 10:25:11 (#2 of 63)

Its certainly still unfolding in terms of impact - this could be a very long running thread.

Boog23 - 10 Aug 2015 10:53:56 (#3 of 63)

The motivation for putting it up was rememberinga conversation a while ago with Morbo I think where he was arguing that radiation consequences were much exaggerated, and the residual radiation was well within safe limits.

The Nuclear Industry would like the issues to be played down, that much is obvious, although they won't admit to this. So is news like this is under pressued to be softened? How doe sthe Lobby industry in this country react to news articles like this?

It's all fascinating and, of course, disturbing in equal measure.

Pinkgum - 10 Aug 2015 11:26:19 (#4 of 63)

It's all fascinating and, of course, disturbing in equal measure.

My thoughts too.

I'm not entirely in disagreement with Morbo - I think that the anti- nuke movement are just as capable of propaganda. But there are so many variables at play and the potential for dreadful things is most certainly there.

I guess we just don't know - despite research and theories.

Boog23 - 10 Aug 2015 12:00:27 (#5 of 63)

The legacy of Hiroshima and Nagasaki should give us an indication, but you can see the results are skewed by one side or the other, much like the Global Warming debate. It reminds me of the Bedford Canal experiments to prove that the Earth was flat/round/concave <delete as appropriate>....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experi
ment


Famously, the experiments and results always confirmed the bias of the scientist conducting the process.

upgoerfive - 11 Aug 2015 00:07:58 (#6 of 63)

That kind of problem is often the case in attempting to estimate the likely impact of nuclear accidents. A lot of the data from the most thorough studies was produced under the aegis of military programmes, and is still substantially not freely published.

And unlike, say, climatologists, most health physicists are employed by the nuclear industry.

The old 'burden of proof' also gets stretched almost to breaking point too, considering the very long delay before harm becomes apparent that is often the case with chronic radiation exposure.

Verdigris - 11 Aug 2015 00:20:48 (#7 of 63)

The starting up of 25 reactors, idle since Fukushima, will be interesting to say the least. Although they have been fitted with additional safety systems long shut-downs can have unpredictable results when fission is re-started.

upgoerfive - 11 Aug 2015 00:29:45 (#8 of 63)

I assume they refuelled, rather than attempting to start up with nasty decayed fuel of an unknown activity potential and cold decay product poisoning. That will have giiven them a good chance to take a close look at what the conditions were like inside the assemblies.

I expect it will probably go pretty smoothly.

MonsoonBloom - 11 Aug 2015 07:03:39 (#9 of 63)

This thread is too negative. Everyone loves chicken legs. And now there are plenty to go around.

upgoerfive - 11 Aug 2015 07:56:21 (#10 of 63)

http://www.tastebook.com/recipes/1468173-Chernobyl-Chicken

Verdigris - 11 Aug 2015 08:08:14 (#11 of 63)

57% of Japanese in favour of scrapping their nuclear power stations.

Boog23 - 11 Aug 2015 08:51:14 (#12 of 63)

The old 'burden of proof' also gets stretched almost to breaking point too, considering the very long delay before harm becomes apparent that is often the case with chronic radiation exposure.



A long delay, or with the case of these whales, difficult to prove a connection without a budget to investigate. I wonder if organisations like Greenpeace can afford it.

invicta - 11 Aug 2015 08:58:53 (#13 of 63)

Unfortunately, 100% of Japanese are in favour of having electricity, so they have to fire up the reactors again.

foghorn - 11 Aug 2015 09:14:15 (#14 of 63)

How did they manage with them closed down?

Boog23 - 11 Aug 2015 10:01:11 (#15 of 63)

In several ways.

On the supply side, capacity was recovered by restarting and restoring fossil-fuelled power generation, and importing power from neighboring areas.

On the demand side, stringent demand restriction measures led to a summer peak demand 10 GW lower in the Tokyo area and 3.1 GW lower in the Tohoku area, compared to 2010.

However, these measures had indirect significant impacts on the Japanese economy and daily life, and appear unsustainable on the long term. Thus Japan saw a 20% increase in LNG import prices, a $46bn additional cost to the national energy bill in 2011, and an 11% increase in CO2 emissions.

Moreover, demand restriction measures for large industries during summer 2011 were emergency measures and cannot be permanent.

http://kth.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:563370/FULLTEXT01.pdf

AdrianNTierney - 11 Aug 2015 16:06:43 (#16 of 63)

Brown coal anyone?

Gotout - 11 Aug 2015 16:25:17 (#17 of 63)

57% of Japanese in favour of scrapping their nuclear power stations.



Depending on how you phrase the question, you can get any result you like.

upgoerfive - 11 Aug 2015 16:44:07 (#18 of 63)

Including results showing that the public is in favour of building nuclear power plants.

Tagyourit - 11 Aug 2015 16:48:39 (#19 of 63)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKrj1ymJzmo

flowbagging - 11 Aug 2015 17:57:28 (#20 of 63)

Brown coal anyone?

Why not? The environment doesn't matter to you. There's no global warming and what do you care about the damage done extracting it as it's not in your neighbourhood?

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