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Started by Jotavitch on Oct 26, 2020 12:30:50 PM
Climate Apartheid - probably our most likely future. Please discuss.
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AdrianNTierney - 30 Dec 2020 16:12:23 (#1 of 32)

And yet, Dover Castle will certainly be safe from any sea level rise.

elderberry - 30 Dec 2020 16:17:25 (#2 of 32)

If the North Atlantic thermohaline circulation system stops working, Europe north of the Alps will be covered by mile thick ice within a few decades and we'll all be dead anyway.

Anchorman - 30 Dec 2020 19:56:21 (#3 of 32)

Oh happy day!

DesEsseintes - 30 Dec 2020 19:59:15 (#4 of 32)

Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think.

hailesaladdie - 30 Dec 2020 20:00:26 (#5 of 32)

Enjoy yourself, East Anglia's in the drink.

Anchorman - 30 Dec 2020 20:07:47 (#6 of 32)

I live a little below sea level in Fenland about 200 metres from a tidal river with a 6-7 metre rise.

On most high tides it gets no nearer than 2 metres from the top of the river bank.About 5 years ago on a particularly high tide combined with a deep low in the North sea it got within 15 centimetres of over topping the bank.

Since then I've moved all my irreplaceable stuff upstairs.

hailesaladdie - 30 Dec 2020 20:13:10 (#7 of 32)

I live on the Western edge of East Anglia, not far from a river which never floods.

This year, it has (it's a tributary of the Great Ouse, which has been really bad). Luckily, we're on a bend with a (not built on) flood plain which has absorbed all the damage.

If it gets much worse, though... There's not many hills round here.

brooklyn - 30 Dec 2020 20:17:22 (#8 of 32)

<<If the North Atlantic thermohaline circulation system stops working....>>

are we basically talking about the Gulf Stream there? we really ought to find a way to charge you guys for that.

while it lasts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream

InternationalVicar - 30 Dec 2020 21:19:52 (#9 of 32)

It's a one dimensional analysis. The knock on effects will level us out.

Jotavitch - 01 Jan 2021 09:23:50 (#10 of 32)

I don't understand why people are still living in places lower that 60 meters above the current sea level...

Moschops - 01 Jan 2021 09:28:40 (#11 of 32)

If the North Atlantic thermohaline circulation system stops working, Europe north of the Alps will be covered by mile thick ice within a few decades

How come Russia isn't already under a mile of ice?

Tenesmus - 01 Jan 2021 09:50:19 (#12 of 32)

All that vodka.

Anchorman - 01 Jan 2021 13:39:04 (#13 of 32)

I don't understand why people are still living in places lower that 60 meters above the current sea level...



Coz that's where most of the houses are!

HoHoHoff - 01 Jan 2021 13:56:57 (#14 of 32)

We're 700m up, and north of the Alps. It's never been glacial here.

Jotavitch - 01 Jan 2021 20:34:04 (#15 of 32)

@Anchorman

you are right, the currently existing houses. Why not the newly built? We have the resources to build, say, Neo London, up in the Lake District... and maybe might be cheaper to build a set of whole interlinked new cities than keeping the flood barriers etc.

virgil5 - 01 Jan 2021 20:45:18 (#16 of 32)

Wooden shoes and dykes make a comeback.

GyratingTrampoline - 01 Jan 2021 20:45:33 (#17 of 32)

We'd be fucked by other climate change consequences long before sea levels rise anywhere near 60m

virgil5 - 01 Jan 2021 20:47:24 (#18 of 32)

Most of London moves inland, leaving underwater kelp farms.

GyratingTrampoline - 01 Jan 2021 21:04:36 (#19 of 32)

Bottom line is we're looking at large parts of the earth's surface becoming uninhabitable and its hard to see how this would not involve literally billions of deaths

Anchorman - 01 Jan 2021 21:15:06 (#20 of 32)

We're not going to get anything like 60 metre rises any time soon and almost certainly not during the period humans are on Earth as we humans are slow to react but when things start to affect major cities in a big way we'll take the actions we should be taking now ( and to some extent already are just not urgently enough)

Rich countries can build sea defences and even at current rates of progess we she be carbon neutral within say 30 years. If sea level rises start to increase we'll take more urgent action. If things get really bad we can start removing cO2 that's already in the atmosphere .

No doubt I'll get a storm of abuse for even daring to say that I think Extinction Rebellions position that we're doomed is massively over pessimistic. We have the solutions and I I believe we should be making much bigger strides agains AGW now and not wait until things get worse but do I think we are doomed. No.

It is poor folk living in places like Bangladesh who will really suffer because they'll be underwater with only low sea level rises before richer countries take action and the poor countries can't afford to do anything about it.

Jota.

I agree. It makes sense to stop development of new properties on flood plains or at the very least only allow the building of homes that can float when it floods, such as these in the Netherlands

https://www.urbangreenbluegrids.com/projects/amphi
bious-homes-maasbommel-the-netherlands/

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