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Started by WibbleAgain on May 4, 2021 11:35:01 AM
Finding the Mother Tree - the Forest is a Community

Many of us have read Peter Wohlleben's The Hidden Life of Trees and loved it:

https://buuks.co.uk/shop/hidden-life-of-204705p.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIj6PX6Oav8AIVCuvtCh2
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which was met with considerable criticism from the scientific community for drawing conclusions beyond what the data showed. His facts were blended with supposition. Suzzane Simard does not make the same mistake.

This book is a testament to Simard’s skill as a science communicator. Her research is clearly defined, the steps of her experiments articulated, her astonishing results explained and the implications laid bare: We ignore the complexity of forests at our peril.

...and that sustainable forestry is more than planting single species of fast growing trees to maximise profit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/books/review/fi
nding-the-mother-tree-suzanne-simard.html

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machiavelli - 05 May 2021 19:09:54 (#3 of 80)

Does it mention that primaeval forest in Poland?

mingmong - 05 May 2021 19:12:32 (#4 of 80)

I'd be interested to know more about the carbon offsetting tree-planting industry. Do they recognise the kind of concerns Wibble is discussing, or is it just about numbers?

machiavelli - 05 May 2021 19:13:13 (#5 of 80)

Carbon offsetting is the modern indulgences.

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TauCeti - 05 May 2021 19:18:30 (#8 of 80)

Years ago read about a primeval forest somewhere in Central Europe... near or in Germany....

machiavelli - 05 May 2021 19:23:38 (#9 of 80)

Here ya go, wibble: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82owie%C5%B
Ca_Forest

tasselhoff - 05 May 2021 19:40:22 (#10 of 80)

sustainable forestry is more than planting single species of fast growing trees to maximise profit.

Well blow me down with a feather.

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TauCeti - 16 May 2021 14:28:26 (#13 of 80)

Interesting link there; I would have thought that a cattle feed field with a few trees in, would be a lot better than the present day vast plantations. Cows could finally scratch themselves, for instance; pigs take a break in the shadow....

TauCeti - 16 May 2021 14:29:44 (#14 of 80)

The trees the guy is planting, though, should be placed scattered and haphazardly rather than in straight lines; I think.

rejonked - 16 May 2021 14:38:34 (#15 of 80)

There's some misunderstanding about carbon offsetting I think. On an individual, or company level, it is a load of bollocks. But as a society we absolutely do have to plant an awful lot more trees (something like 20% of current agricultural land) in order to meet carbon targets. They don't have to be monocultures, and most tree planting that takes place in this country that isn't for timber is mixed native planting.

And we do also need to plant more trees for timber because it's a more sustainable material than the alternatives.

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Verdigris - 16 May 2021 14:49:15 (#18 of 80)

<makes note to inspect the silvopasture experiment when next out for a walk>

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rejonked - 16 May 2021 14:54:11 (#20 of 80)

I've just looked at that Swedish article Wibble - and it seems to be more about the use of wood as a sustainable material rather than planting forests for carbon.

However I get the point - monocultural forestry is not great for biodiversity, and is a disaster if it replaces natural forest or peatland. But I'm not sure it's so bad if it replaces low grade agricultural land. It is all about balance. We need a lot more trees, and some of that needs to be through natural regeneration (rewilding), some through mixed planting, some through plantations for carbon and wood products. The problem is leaving it all to the market and allowing commercial forestry interests to take the easy route.

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