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Started by coshipi on Jun 21, 2021 5:21:20 PM
The Delusion of Infinite Economic Growth
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BasilSeal - 21 Jun 2021 22:38:05 (#1 of 31)

I think this idea is explored more widely in David Pilling's book The Growth Delusion.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jun/29/grow
th-delusion-david-pilling-review

Verdigris - 21 Jun 2021 22:44:20 (#2 of 31)

I was banging on about this in the late 1980s. I think it was a book called Nature's Economy that got me going.

As you may have surmised, I'm not very influential.

HorstVogel - 21 Jun 2021 22:47:02 (#3 of 31)

Me neither, being influencial that is.

Tomnoddy - 22 Jun 2021 00:03:24 (#4 of 31)

More being under the influence?

makes drinky-drinky gestures.

coshipi - 22 Jun 2021 05:56:36 (#5 of 31)

Basil

Yes, but probably not reaching quite such a wide audience as Sci Am.

LemonGrass - 22 Jun 2021 06:16:40 (#6 of 31)

+10pts

machiavelli - 22 Jun 2021 06:47:52 (#7 of 31)

I was reading something about the environmental cost of mining lithium, the stuff we need for "green" motoring.

coshipi - 22 Jun 2021 07:30:49 (#8 of 31)

Yup. As with so many things, it's not as bad as what it's replacing, but it's very far from perfect.

thisonehasalittlehat - 22 Jun 2021 08:21:25 (#9 of 31)

We can get all this stuff from asteroids.

coshipi - 22 Jun 2021 08:22:26 (#10 of 31)

Yeah, right. That's not going to cost crazy amounts of fuel, is it.

thisonehasalittlehat - 22 Jun 2021 08:24:10 (#11 of 31)

Be fine. Loads of energy in the sun.

thisonehasalittlehat - 22 Jun 2021 08:25:14 (#12 of 31)

Plus when we have nano matter printers they'll be no waste. You're all stuck in the economics of scarcity. There is for all intents and purposes infinite stuff and infinite energy out there.

browserbutton - 22 Jun 2021 08:25:38 (#13 of 31)

A lot of the lithium is in Western Australia -- I wonder if this fact will lead to a revival in Westralian secessionism?

InternationalVicar - 22 Jun 2021 08:29:19 (#14 of 31)

Or we sleepwalk into an ugly population crash of our own making where several billion people die and then we/they can start the whole "Good news! economic growth is up!" cycle all over again.

coshipi - 22 Jun 2021 08:31:30 (#15 of 31)

It's just possible that solar energy plus asteroid material might make some kind of space economy workable, although there are some interesting problems to solve - that may or may not have solutions.

What I've yet to see is any credible proposals for how to get there from here.

thisonehasalittlehat - 22 Jun 2021 08:34:09 (#16 of 31)

Well obviously we have to get off the earth because all the energy requirements of getting there and back but that'll be fine as they'll be bugger all left here to use up anyway so people will be super keen to go and explore the (admittedly thinly spread) riches of the infinite void.

coshipi - 22 Jun 2021 08:48:44 (#17 of 31)

I'm not sure that makes sense, hattie, but I think you know that.

quartus - 22 Jun 2021 10:07:23 (#18 of 31)

The name will have to change. Hats not good enough for alien planets. Helmet, innit?

thisonehasalittlehat - 22 Jun 2021 10:08:27 (#19 of 31)

Oi.

KizzyK - 25 Jun 2021 19:08:52 (#20 of 31)

Kate Raworths Doughnut Economics is based on living within our planetary resources. I’m not an economist in any shape or form but I read it & it sounded like the way ahead.

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