No smilies, no avatars, no flashing gifs. Just discuss the issues of the day, from last night's telly via football to science or philosophy.
Started by barkis on Mar 14, 2020 10:00:05 AM
Another triumph of capitalism: destroying unique manuscripts to sell handbags.
HerrWalrus - 14 Mar 2020 10:27:25 (#1 of 24)

I love Upcycling.

roguestate - 23 Mar 2020 15:41:47 (#2 of 24)

An excellent (free to read) article on emergencies, surveillance and the latter’s tendency to outlive its original purpose and then be redeployed for an altogether more sinister purpose,

Agaliarept - 23 Mar 2020 15:58:17 (#3 of 24)

The year is 2219. Rumours abound concerning a code phrase used by Queen Victoria in her letter field marshal Henry Lord Hardinge suggesting the whereabouts of a long forgotten Saxe-Coburg family treasure. Follow dashing young rebel archaeologist Emily Winterbourne-Horton Cum Studley as she battles beurocrats, ancient demons and a ghost from her own past as she searches for the legendary 12 Sekre bags in an attempt to gather the fragments of the letter hidden in their lining to reveal a secret the world must never find out.

Only available on Blue-Ray.

Jacob_Richter - 23 Mar 2020 16:01:05 (#4 of 24)

You can't blame capitalism for this. Oh no, we have to have this because the only alternative is Gulags like when Stalin was around. Didn't you know?

ChabuddyG - 23 Mar 2020 16:03:06 (#5 of 24)

You've no more offered an alternative than anyone else has. You've never discussed what the options are, what downsides they'd have, how these would be mitigated.

tasselhoff - 23 Mar 2020 16:04:34 (#6 of 24)

We have a secret thread for that.

ChabuddyG - 23 Mar 2020 16:06:15 (#7 of 24)

Ah, one for party members only, right?

TRaney - 23 Mar 2020 16:06:38 (#8 of 24)

I assume under communism the handbag worker's co-operative will still be free to incorporate historical texts in their bags if they all vote for it

brooklyn - 23 Mar 2020 16:13:57 (#9 of 24)

it may of course be stupid to let this company decide what must be preserved. still, it does pose an interesting question. are all documents of importance, simply because they were created by long-dead figures currently seen as important?

must we preserve every letter in which someone famous invites another to lunch?

I have some sympathy for anyone who finds this silly:

<<“Autographs in particular should be preserved and cared for due to their uniqueness, as they have an irretrievable cultural, historical and scientific value,” said Wieduwilt.>>

Napoleon was an incurably manic letter writer. how many of his "autographs" do we need?

should I be preserving my autographs now, and perhaps creating more, just in case someone finds me important in 2220? a preposterous concern, no doubt. still, I'm starting to feel guilty for not having kept copies of all my correspondence....

browserbutton - 23 Mar 2020 16:26:21 (#10 of 24)


barkis - 23 Mar 2020 16:26:43 (#11 of 24)

I think (and admittedly I'm a man) that any manuscript written by a person of historical importance is worth more than a handbag, mainly because it's a material link to the person but also because it's the only clear evidence of what they wrote.

FrankieTeardrop - 23 Mar 2020 16:27:54 (#12 of 24)

Plus we don't know now what will be considered important later.

Look at the amazing work Mark Lewisohn did, with objects as mundane as a hire purchase agreement

brooklyn - 23 Mar 2020 17:09:58 (#13 of 24)

disraeli's favorite soup recipe?

or only if it's autographed.

barkis - 23 Mar 2020 17:13:18 (#14 of 24)

I think "autograph" can refer to a manuscript that was written in someone's own hand rather than just the name at the bottom. The manuscripts in the handbags seem to be of the first sort.

cozzer - 23 Mar 2020 17:14:56 (#15 of 24)

Just digitise the manuscripts. We don't need to keep every scrap of paper that someone wrote on.

brooklyn - 23 Mar 2020 17:15:54 (#16 of 24)

ah, barkis, that's an interpretation I had not thought of. still: the document (whether a letter or a soup recipe) is more important because it wasn't typed, or transcribed by another? I can see an increase in "collector value," but not historical significance.

virgil5 - 23 Mar 2020 17:19:06 (#17 of 24)

Turns out Lincoln was up all night writing the same address over and over on scraps of paper.

barkis - 23 Mar 2020 17:22:56 (#18 of 24)


Yet thousands of people go to see the house that the Brontes lived in. A material remain has significance to ordinary people even if not to historians.

brooklyn - 23 Mar 2020 17:28:15 (#19 of 24)

well. let's go back to the soup recipe. how many recipes would be worth saving in their original form?

cozzer - 23 Mar 2020 17:29:50 (#20 of 24)

Yet thousands of people go to see the house that the Brontes lived in.

But if it wasn't there, nobody would care.

Check Subscriptions
Home » Europe