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Started by Logosquo on Nov 16, 2011 7:37:25 AM
The German thread

All things Germany is HERE NOW!

At last!!!

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Logosquo - 16 Nov 2011 07:38:51 (#1 of 1589)

We'll start with some shocking news:

Volkswagen to donate 1 million USD to the ADL, a jewish lobby group.

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/11/09/3090208
/volkswagen-ag-donated-1-million-to-the-anti-defamation-league


German guilt still pays for some...

MorningCloud - 16 Nov 2011 08:35:16 (#2 of 1589)

Ich hoffte, dass wir unsere Deutschen hier ueben koenten...

kokolores - 16 Nov 2011 09:03:06 (#3 of 1589)

We'll start with some shocking news

A big multinational wants to donate to good causes. Why is that shocking?

Logosquo - 16 Nov 2011 09:06:18 (#4 of 1589)

Ich hoffte, dass wir unsere Deutschen hier ueben koenten...



I am not sure that is allowed in this anti-German climate that prevails here. However, I will be happy to keep you up to date with German news trivia.

Such as this, a bunch of criminals robs a bank and kills Turks and Greeks:

http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/rechtsextrememords
erie100.html


Despite the two killers not having publicised their terror attacks they are classed as "right wing terrorists".

Terrorists who don't publicise their exploits? How very odd. Sounds more like common criminals.

Logosquo - 16 Nov 2011 09:08:16 (#5 of 1589)

A big multinational wants to donate to good causes. Why is that shocking?



Because they are donating to the ADL, the ADL has paid huge sums in libel damages and has convictions for criminal activities.

That Volkswagen would support such an unsavoury group is certainly shocking.

Mostly because I drive a VW Touareg.

PlunkettDoone - 16 Nov 2011 09:13:30 (#6 of 1589)

That Volkswagen would support such an unsavoury group is certainly shocking.

German companies have a history in this department. Leica Camera AG has also donated a fat sum to Reporters Sans Frontières and its prime mover, Robert Ménard.

A nastier little fascist than Ménard would be hard to find.

Logosquo - 16 Nov 2011 09:18:09 (#7 of 1589)

Why Volkswagen has to donate to a US group that targets jews is anybody's guess.

There is poverty in Germany, why not put the money where its workers are?

VW justify it by pointing to their policy of furthering "diversity" in our workforce. No doubt there will be a massive influx of New York jews into VW's car factories then.

In reality it's more like a VW official was wooed by an ADL official in the US and promised the huge donation.

kokolores - 16 Nov 2011 09:20:31 (#8 of 1589)

I applaud VW for their commitment to CSR.

On the strength of this gesture alone, I am considering trading in my current car for one of their excellent products.

Thank you, Logosquo, for bringing this issue to my attention.

Logosquo - 16 Nov 2011 09:23:28 (#9 of 1589)

VW cars certainly are absolutely super-excellent.

The Touareg I bought recently is engineered to such marvellous levels that I now drive everywhere.

Just the smallish seats are a bit of a shame, Saab do that better, and also those thin plastic buttons are a disgrace.

The car itself is utterly magnificent though.

You really got to buy VW, they're the biggest car maker, the Bentley, the Porsche Cayenne, all basically VW cars, as is the Bugatti Veyron, the fast production car on earth.

VW is definitely the way to go, hence the shock and dismay that its senior executives make such terrible mistakes.

voozel - 16 Nov 2011 09:47:33 (#10 of 1589)

Speaking of Germany, the BBC reports that Fr. Merkel is about to bully our sweet little cuddly Dave into accepting a financial transaction tax

Is there any truth in it?

Logosquo - 16 Nov 2011 09:49:15 (#11 of 1589)

She would certainly love to try and impose this tax on the UK, however, how could Merkel possibly force this on Cameron?

stemwinder - 16 Nov 2011 09:58:49 (#12 of 1589)

The Guardian reports it too:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/15/eur
ozone-crisis-britain-germany-tension

Logosquo - 16 Nov 2011 10:26:21 (#13 of 1589)

Yes, but this idea that Germany could redraft EU treaties and Cameron would need to ask for concessions is just too far-fetched.

German politicians can't even build a railway station, let alone pull off such a grand scheme of extortion within an EU framework.

Merkel certainly wants this tax, but I have no doubt Cameron will not want it. He is quite right that without the US also implementing this tax it is quite useless anyway, by the way.

gordonthemoron - 16 Nov 2011 10:35:48 (#14 of 1589)

Saab do that better

I thought Saab had gone bust?

Logosquo - 16 Nov 2011 10:37:04 (#15 of 1589)

Saab were on the verge, but once again saved by a Chinese investor.

Looks like Saab will live.

After all they have one of the most modern production plants in Europe.

voozel - 16 Nov 2011 11:20:52 (#16 of 1589)

how could Merkel possibly force this on Cameron?



I don't see how she could do it either, it's just what the BBC was suggesting

Maybe they should have said 'a bit of gentle arm-twisting' and a bit of quid pro quo-ing

Logosquo - 16 Nov 2011 11:35:08 (#17 of 1589)

It's so embarassing, Germany is like a big dog without a bite these days.

I can't see Cameron being open to compromise on a financial tax but you never know with politicians.

Anyway, the supposed right wing terror story gets interesting, the leftwing TAZ reports that during one of the murders in Kassel an officer of the Hessian Verfassungsschutz was present.

http://www.taz.de/Skandal-um-Neonazi-Terrorbande/!81988/

Kind of a coincidence, isn't it, a supposed right wing murder happens and an officer of the Verfassungsschutz happens to be a witness?

What are the odds?

And what is the real involvement of the German secret services?

stemwinder - 16 Nov 2011 11:49:20 (#18 of 1589)

You can, of course, read about it in English too:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/16/german-neo-nazi-security-service-scandal?intcmp=239

Logosquo - 16 Nov 2011 11:59:33 (#19 of 1589)

No, that's actually completely different. The article I linked to focused on a specific murder in Kassel in an internet cafe where, surprising coincidence, a Verfassungsschutz officer happened to be present while a murder was occuring.

The Verfassungsschutz officer then did not come forward to testify, and when he was traced he lied and claimed he had left before the murder happened. Again this was shown to have been a lie.

So the articles are completely different, one deals with the possible implication of the Verfassungsschutz in a particular murder, and one gives a general summary of the main culprits' actions.

stemwinder - 16 Nov 2011 12:25:07 (#20 of 1589)

the articles are completely different

Not that different. In fact, rather the same. The TAZ piece, entitled 'Der "Adolf" vom Verfassungsschutz', has this:

In seinem Heimatort habe man ihn auch den "kleinen Adolf" genannt. In seiner Wohnung habe man Exzerpte aus Hitlers "Mein Kampf" gefunden.

And the Guardian has:

It has now emerged that the agent, who was transferred to less-sensitive work following an investigation at the time, openly held rightwing views and was known in the village where he grew up as "Little Adolf". When police raided his flat following the murder, they found a cache of guns, for which he had a legitimate licence, and extracts from Mein Kampf.

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