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Started by TheVoiceOfReason on Jan 11, 2019 8:09:01 AM
Parents perceive the childless as MORALLY DUBIOUS, new study shows

According to shock new research out today, parents are outraged when others decide not to have children.

Not only did participants in the study perceive the voluntarily childfree male and female subjects to be "significantly less psychologically fulfilled than targets with two children," they also reported "significantly greater moral outrage" toward them. These findings offer evidence for the theory that parenthood is seen by some as a moral imperative: "In other words," the study states, "not having children is seen not only as atypical but also as wrong."

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/a3wvgp/stud
y-finds-people-are-morally-outraged-by-those-who-decide-not-to-have-kids

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FleurDuMal - 11 Jan 2019 08:14:45 (#1 of 129)

Nope, never thought like that. It’s a matter of personal choice.

Catspyjamas17 - 11 Jan 2019 08:23:26 (#2 of 129)

I wonder what questions were asked and how in the survey and how the results were collated.

hailesaladdie - 11 Jan 2019 08:25:49 (#3 of 129)

> It’s a matter of personal choice

Or not even that, for many.

Catspyjamas17 - 11 Jan 2019 08:28:08 (#4 of 129)

Ashburn-Nardo and her team recruited 197 undergraduate psychology students to participate in the study. After being told the experiment had to do with people's sense of intuition and how accurately they can predict the future, they were given one of four versions of an anecdote about a married adult's decision to have children, with variables accounting for gender and whether they had zero or two kids. Participants were then asked to rate how psychologically fulfilled they thought the subject was.

197 students. All from the same university in a similar age group, studying the same subject. Also, several other variables come into play in the examples given other than their decision whether or not to have children.

browserbutton - 11 Jan 2019 08:29:31 (#5 of 129)

More yankee boffin weirdness.

CarlosFandango - 11 Jan 2019 08:33:18 (#6 of 129)

Can't say I find any of this particularly surprising.

Of course the methodology and the details of the work have to be looked at, but the whole thing would have to be monumentally flawed and/or fudged before I'd dismiss it as piffle.

I think the attitudes reported are detectable every day of the week, in various ways.

Agaliarept - 11 Jan 2019 08:40:16 (#7 of 129)

Or not even that, for many.

I don't think those who cannot conceive are included.

According to shock new research out today, parents are outraged when others decide not to have children.

Personally I think understand the sentiment against those who decide to be child free and spend their relationships just going after what they want but let's not pretend there isn't a hint of jealousy involved.

All those holidays and lie ins. The bastards.

Ginmonkey - 11 Jan 2019 08:41:45 (#8 of 129)

A choice that is available to everyone Aga, contraception is, after all, free in the UK.

RosyLovelady - 11 Jan 2019 08:46:52 (#9 of 129)

Parents are sometimes said to be morally superior to the rest of us because they are selflessly raising the tax payers of the future. I'm not sure if the arithmetic bears this out.

Agaliarept - 11 Jan 2019 08:47:34 (#10 of 129)

A choice that is available to everyone Aga, contraception is, after all, free in the UK.

I didn't say the feeling were justified at all. Just that they are there. Mainly driven by jealousy at all the free time and spare monies.

I wasn't forced to have children at all, doesn't mean I can't be jealous of those who chose to have money and leisure time in abundance.

Winner - 11 Jan 2019 08:51:38 (#11 of 129)

When anyone tells me they're pregnant or they're planning for a baby or whatever I ask them why they aren't adopting. There are already millions of kids in the world without parents. Fucking sort them out first before you create any more.

Winner - 11 Jan 2019 08:53:27 (#12 of 129)

It's exactly the same with cats and dogs. Go to a rescue centre if you want one. Don't buy one off some arsehole who breeds them in his shed.

CarlosFandango - 11 Jan 2019 08:53:39 (#13 of 129)

Jealousy, or a sublimated form of it, probably has a fair bit to do with it.

But I think this has very deep roots, and is more subtle than that can fully account for.

BenSawbridg - 11 Jan 2019 08:54:02 (#14 of 129)

Opinions made of WIN there, as the fans would expect.

CarlosFandango - 11 Jan 2019 08:54:22 (#15 of 129)

Fuxake Winner, what are you on?

Agaliarept - 11 Jan 2019 08:55:14 (#16 of 129)

Fucking sort them out first before you create any more.

Have you ever known anyone who adopted?

My SiL and her partner cannot conceive naturally and tried to adopt. They were told they needed to be able to take the first year off work. They were also told if they were successful due to the rights of the old parent, the child must have a relationship with their original parent which the new adopters must facilitate.

It's an honourable position you are taking but it's not actually open to everyone.

CarlosFandango - 11 Jan 2019 09:02:57 (#17 of 129)

It's not particularly honourable.

It's gratuitous, impractical, judgemental, provocative and rude.

What's more, I don't actually believe it, so add in a touch of Walter Mittyesque fearless iconoclast fantasy drivel.

Arseholes in sheds notwithstanding.

Agaliarept - 11 Jan 2019 09:34:04 (#18 of 129)

It's not particularly honourable.

In a perfect world all the children without families should be looked after so in that sense it is honourable. It's just not practical or even realistic when you get down to the details.

FrankieTeardrop - 11 Jan 2019 10:00:28 (#19 of 129)

"Personally I think understand the sentiment against those who decide to be child free and spend their relationships just going after what they want but let's not pretend there isn't a hint of jealousy involved."

Envy, not jealousy.

Agaliarept - 11 Jan 2019 10:19:06 (#20 of 129)

Well corrected sir.

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