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Started by GyratingTrampoline on Apr 20, 2022 10:43:21 AM
The family sex show

This was briefly mentioned on another thread but I saw it had been cancelled so I thought maybe it could have a thread of its own

This is the theatre company's page about the show

Article about its cancellation

GyratingTrampoline - 20 Apr 2022 10:43:31 (#1 of 30)

I tend towards "more information and openness is good even/especially for young children" side of things, but the fact that this show was to involve actual nudity rather than just words makes me think that it must have been way beyond the pale.

Lawlsie - 20 Apr 2022 10:47:16 (#2 of 30)

It wasn't just the adult nudity in front of children. It was a heck of a lot more! Suggesting children google animals masturbating for example

The whole thing was utterly horrific. Children as young as five don't need to be taught this stuff from complete adult strangers. The very title of the show should've been a massive red flag. How the hell did this ever get Arts Council funding? It's utterly obscene.

GyratingTrampoline - 20 Apr 2022 12:00:37 (#3 of 30)

yikes I didn't know about the animals masturbating aspect.

The blurb is obviously trying to make responsible noises using words like rights, boundaries, consent, safeguarding. I wonder what the input from safeguarding specialists actually consisted of

carterbrandon - 20 Apr 2022 12:47:26 (#4 of 30)

This is the theatre company's page about the show

That's not the company's, it's the page of the venue. The company is 'ThisEgg'. I wonder if it's Woody Allen's Large Vibrating Egg.

GyratingTrampoline - 20 Apr 2022 13:05:10 (#5 of 30)

good point. I notice the reviews page for that show contains phrases from reviews from other shows by ThisEgg, but not for this show, which presumably has no reviews.

Mazzarin - 20 Apr 2022 15:48:56 (#6 of 30)

Some of the lyrics of a song in the show (for some as young as five).

Lawlsie - 20 Apr 2022 15:54:49 (#7 of 30)

Really don't understand why this wasn't red flagged long before it got to the stage of being staged. I mean have they no history? Don't they know about PIE in the 70s and early 80s!? As for the BBC running a sympathetic story have they forgotten they enabled Savile for many years!?

And isn't it bizarre that on the one hand we have an almost hysterical fear of child abuse and on the other this kind of thing going into schools and gaining access to very young children? It makes no sense!

StephanieSuperpowers - 20 Apr 2022 15:02:40 (#8 of 30)

Suggesting children google animals masturbating for example

And then draw the animals. I mean...

The whole thing was an absolute groomer's dream. I'm very, very against lowering boundaries in this manner.

Lawlsie - 20 Apr 2022 16:05:32 (#9 of 30)

Like I say Stephanie I am old enough to remember PIE trying this on. And they got away with it for years!

Is it really so hard to detect? I mean the dogs in the street can smell this miles off. Check their hard drives. Take away their funding. Take them all in for questioning.

StephanieSuperpowers - 20 Apr 2022 15:10:00 (#10 of 30)

I don't even think that they really understand what they're doing themselves. They're just so wedded to the idea that boundaries are bad and should be broken down and everyone else is a repressed fool who needs to be educated that they just don't get why what they are proposing to do is wrong and abusive.

GyratingTrampoline - 20 Apr 2022 16:15:48 (#11 of 30)

It seems ThisEgg is run by one person, who seems to be a woman called Josie Dale-Jones

Lawlsie - 20 Apr 2022 16:18:59 (#12 of 30)

Well she/they got an Arts Council grant!

Lawlsie - 20 Apr 2022 16:21:00 (#13 of 30)

They're just so wedded to the idea that boundaries are bad and should be broken down and everyone else is a repressed fool who needs to be educated that they just don't get why what they are proposing to do is wrong and abusive.

The 60s ended quite some time ago. This was the line used then too. Everyone's doing it. Don't be so repressed. Kids should be given the right to enjoy sex, why can't dogs get high like we can, don't sleep with the same person more than three nights in a row cos that's like bourgeois man.

It was bollocks then and it's bollocks now.

GyratingTrampoline - 20 Apr 2022 16:25:24 (#14 of 30)

It's possible that she got the arts council grant off the back off previous shows, which did not raise the same red flags.

StephanieSuperpowers - 20 Apr 2022 15:27:15 (#15 of 30)

I find it surprising that any theatre wanted to host the production and that they were able to sell any tickets.

Adults getting naked and talking about sex with five year olds? That sounds exactly right for my family!

GyratingTrampoline - 20 Apr 2022 16:29:09 (#16 of 30)

Yes the tobacco factory theatre were prepared to list it on their site as such. No one there thought to themself "hang on what's going on here" between taking the booking and listing it.

We don't know whether any tickets were actually sold, of course.

carterbrandon - 20 Apr 2022 16:30:36 (#17 of 30)

The 'Legz Akimbo Theatre in Education Company' of Ollie Plimsolls in The League of Gentlemen, and their mission statement 'Put yourself in a child'.

carterbrandon - 20 Apr 2022 16:33:44 (#18 of 30)

Recently worked in Ukraine I see. Probably missing the relative calm.

And worked with Paper Birds, who MrsB once parted company with by mutual agreement, because they were at opposite ends of the 'massively up themselves artyfartiness' scale.

It just keeps getting better: Maternity cover producer for 'Stark Bollock Naked'.

carterbrandon - 20 Apr 2022 16:49:42 (#19 of 30)

More links:

Her company: There seems to be a half-done effort to break the links to....

The show:

Winterborne - 24 Apr 2022 13:32:50 (#20 of 30)

I think Kathleen Stock has it about right on the context to all of this:

Several clues suggest that these are not people whose primary objective is to break down the sexual boundaries of children. Possibly more terrifyingly, I think their doing so is just a by-product of their actual aim, which is the perfectly banal one of doing well in the contemporary theatre scene according to prevalent cultural norms there.

Let’s consider the evidence. For one thing, there’s the fact the company belongs to a young woman, and seems mostly composed of other young women (or as they would put it - but of course they would! - young womxn). By the law of averages about sex, this is a group more likely to be found anxiously and conscientiously taking cues from the social world around them than forming sociopathic plans to corrupt minors, though of course there are always exceptions.

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