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Started by uranrising on Aug 16, 2018 11:16:41 AM
The Vanilla Story; but Petrochemicals are involved

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/madagascar_vanillla

There's a lot to it.

And vanilla-flavoured is some way away from the real thing.

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SinnerBoy - 17 Aug 2018 18:55:00 (#1 of 36)

Well, that was very educational. I never knew that all that went into vanilla production.

TommyDGNR8 - 17 Aug 2018 19:19:01 (#2 of 36)

I spent 18 months working on vanillin derivatives a few years ago. Even with industry-leading extraction and containment, everything ended up stinking of the bloody stuff.

I hate the smell of vanilla.

browserbutton - 17 Aug 2018 19:36:53 (#3 of 36)

The problem for vanilla farmers is like the problem for avocado farmers. Their crops suddenly shoot up in value and -- hey presto, gangsters.

mememe - 21 Aug 2018 19:00:15 (#4 of 36)

The market will provide (gangsters).

FleurDuMal - 21 Aug 2018 19:02:03 (#5 of 36)

I hate the smell of vanilla.

Me too. It makes me gip. That Thierry Mugler, perfume, Angel reeks of the stuff. Bleurgh

surferboogiewhatever - 21 Aug 2018 19:15:37 (#6 of 36)

I hate the smell of vanilla.

And coffee iirc, you wrongmo. Should we ever meet, I guess it won't be in a Continental-style patisserie.

FleurDuMal - 21 Aug 2018 19:18:24 (#7 of 36)

I love the smell of coffee!

HorstVogel - 21 Aug 2018 19:20:02 (#8 of 36)

but coffee doesn't go well with vanilla



recollects experience on Long Island

PoppySeedBagel - 21 Aug 2018 21:35:13 (#9 of 36)

I love the small of good vanilla but there is quite a lot of not-good vanilla around. I once bought some bargain vanilla pods that had the wrong flavour - almost, not quite vanilla that made me gag. But I love the taste and smell from this stuff:

https://www.lakeland.co.uk/5650/Nielsen-Massey-Food-Flavour---118ml-Vanilla-Extract

Maybe I’ll ask for a bottle for Christmas...

surferboogiewhatever - 21 Aug 2018 22:48:47 (#10 of 36)

I love the smell of coffee!

That was for Tommy. We like a lot of the same things so it's always a bit of a surprise when we don't.

Tomnoddy - 21 Aug 2018 23:02:47 (#11 of 36)

I've worked with vanillin derivatives too. You quickly go off the smell, and your partner can go off you too. For a while anyway.

uranrising - 22 Aug 2018 09:33:32 (#12 of 36)

What amazed me that 'vanilla-flavour' is more a petrochemical product than a vanilla one.

JohnIlly - 22 Aug 2018 10:40:33 (#13 of 36)

Vanillin could be extracted from oak but it would be more expensive than synthesising it, I suppose.

HorstVogel - 22 Aug 2018 11:46:10 (#14 of 36)

isn't artifical vanilla-flavour somehting they get oout of charcoal?



I reckon vanilla, banana and strawberry flavoured ice cream was so common because the artifical flavouring was dead cheap and easy to get hold off. (What I reckon, no dodgy research done)

JohnIlly - 22 Aug 2018 11:53:30 (#15 of 36)

More likely out of coal than charcoal. A lot of the stuff in coal is chemically similar to that in oil.

Catspyjamas17 - 22 Aug 2018 12:20:12 (#16 of 36)

I like proper vanilla in small doses in cake, ice cream etc. Have never liked the artificial stuff nor cared for it in perfume. Artificial strawberry and banana are similarly rank, though I always liked sherbet lemons and lemon and lime Starburst.

HorstVogel - 22 Aug 2018 12:21:16 (#17 of 36)

righto! I've heard margarine can be made out of brown coal (I think an emeergy plan in the Lower Rhine parts of Germany, we have lots of it)

SinnerBoy - 23 Aug 2018 19:37:12 (#18 of 36)

Yes, coal tar, not coal. It's what the pharmaceutical companies relied on, before oil became so big. A highly valuable by-product of the coking industry.

HorstVogel - 23 Aug 2018 20:11:11 (#19 of 36)

I prefer proper coal rather thank coke, as a kid we used coal briefly. Loved the fire place, the coal would sometimes have some liquid ooze out of it.

browserbutton - 23 Aug 2018 20:27:25 (#20 of 36)

Did you spread it on toast?

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