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Started by Catspyjamas17 on Oct 16, 2019 11:57:43 AM
The Vegan Thread

Whether you are vegan, vegetarian, pescetarian or just trying to cut down on meat and dairy, trying to life a healthier and/or more environmentally friendly lifestyle this is a place to try, and discuss, new foods and recipes.

browserbutton - 02 Dec 2020 07:48:10 (#461 of 530)

Will vegans go for 'cultured chicken'?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/0
2/no-kill-lab-grown-meat-to-go-on-sale-for-first-time


It's not any common chicken for oiks, it's cultured.

KizzyK - 02 Dec 2020 09:12:31 (#462 of 530)

I think this is really exciting news tbh. I think LOADS of people will switch when it's affordable, I mean literally all you have to do is show clean sterile lab vats versus half plucked chickens crammed in stinking sheds standing in their own shit.

JohnIlly - 02 Dec 2020 20:03:16 (#463 of 530)

Has it got crispy skin? Does it produce schmaltz?

FGBFGB - 02 Dec 2020 20:04:54 (#464 of 530)

Does it involve killing creatures?

carterbrandon - 05 Dec 2020 22:55:55 (#465 of 530)

Sounds like highly processed food to me. I thought highly processsed food was bad.

FGBFGB - 05 Dec 2020 23:03:40 (#466 of 530)

Lots of meat/fish based food is also highly processed. And if you think that veganism is based on aversion to processed food, then you are mistaken.

carterbrandon - 05 Dec 2020 23:11:04 (#467 of 530)

I don't think veganism is based on aversion to processed food. Although a holistic approach might see veganism as a necessary but not sufficient component of an ecological way to sustain humanity.

And I know that lots of meat/fish based food is highly processed.

I just suggest that if 'highly processed' is a bad thing for food to be, then this stuff should be a non-starter.

FGBFGB - 05 Dec 2020 23:17:23 (#468 of 530)

OK, but if this product is basically a clone of chicken, then it is chicken; it is no more processed that a free range chook, but just - and here is the crucial part - doesn't' t involve rearing animals in conditions of extreme cruelty (which I can enlarge upon if you like) and then killing them so we can eat them.

FGBFGB - 05 Dec 2020 23:19:12 (#469 of 530)

You would better criticise the Vegan sausages and burger I ate today. I doubt they were worse healthwise than cheap meat sausages or burgers, but probably not better apart from the cruelty/killy bit.

FGBFGB - 05 Dec 2020 23:20:56 (#470 of 530)

Which for many, including me, is the key point, although there are other sound reasons for being vegan.

carterbrandon - 05 Dec 2020 23:23:48 (#471 of 530)

#468: I wonder what the comparative effects on the ecosphere as a whole would be, between:

a) The absence from the planet of farmed animals.

b) The existence of an artificial meat industry

c) The existence of the existing meat industry

d) The existence of a different meat industry

FGBFGB - 05 Dec 2020 23:32:38 (#472 of 530)

I think B and D are the main issues, assuming that the growth of C with the growth of prosperity in China and S Asia might level off. While A is the logical outcome of mechanism, it won't happen for centuries, if that. After all, some of us are employed by cats.

uranrising - 07 Dec 2020 13:25:08 (#473 of 530)

a) The absence from the planet of farmed animals.

Can we assume that cows, sheep, pigs, goats, chickens, salmon and so on continue to live on the planet, just not farmed?

misosoup100 - 07 Dec 2020 14:23:28 (#474 of 530)

Cows and chickens couldn't survive.

browserbutton - 07 Dec 2020 14:27:59 (#475 of 530)

Domestic livestock that are allowed to go feral are not a good thing for the environment, even if they do survive.

JohnIlly - 07 Dec 2020 15:42:05 (#476 of 530)

Wild cattle are rather dangerous.

FGBFGB - 07 Dec 2020 16:25:30 (#477 of 530)

Interesting how people are concentrating on the environmental consequences of the highly likely event of an instant global ban on non-vegan lifestyles, rather than the consequences of people gradually, overall, eating more plant based foods and reducing animal abuse.

FGBFGB - 07 Dec 2020 16:26:29 (#478 of 530)

SHOCK as VEGAN WIERDIES encourage wild cattle to Gore JohnIlly!

uranrising - 07 Dec 2020 16:31:53 (#479 of 530)

omewhat reminds me of the olf philosophical gag about a chap walking along a street after dark when he comes across another bloke on his hands and knees on the pavement, clearly searching for something.

He asks, "You looking for something?" The other replies, "Yes, I dropped my keys." "Well should be easy to find them by this street-lamp. Wher exactly, do you think you dropped them?"

The searcher says, "Over there", pointing to the other side of the road. "Well, why on earth aren't you looking there?

"Well, there's more light here."

FGBFGB - 14 Dec 2020 21:00:19 (#480 of 530)

Northumbrian lunch today: leek pudding, mash, veg and gravy.

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