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Started by Shadrack22 on Dec 20, 2015 6:42:32 PM
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Should they be brought back?

Why were they abolished in the first place?

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TRaney - 20 Dec 2015 18:45:40 (#1 of 30)

They were abolished because England had finally managed to pull ahead if Scotland in the head to head

Arjuna - 20 Dec 2015 19:01:01 (#2 of 30)

England carried on playing Scotland after they were abolished in the Rous cup for a few years.

They were scrapped as England prefered to play more games against foreign sides rather than British ones who had a similar style.



And frankly they were a bit shit

TRaney - 20 Dec 2015 19:06:14 (#3 of 30)

- British ones who had a similar style.

+ being humbled by their small impoverished northern neighbour

Arjuna - 20 Dec 2015 19:13:08 (#4 of 30)

If they had been the reason, they would barely have got off the ground let alone last 101 years.

TommyDCMBR8 - 20 Dec 2015 19:21:31 (#5 of 30)

I suspect it reached the point where it was costing more to police them than they were taking at the gates or through telly.

Certainly, the aggro outweighed the entertainment in the last few years.

Arjuna - 20 Dec 2015 19:25:37 (#6 of 30)

In 2011, there was an attempt to resurrect a similar tournament with the Republic of Ireland replacing England. All the games were played in Dublin but none attracted crowds of over 20,000. The match between Northern Ireland and Wales was played in front of 529 fans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Nations_Cup

TommyDCMBR8 - 20 Dec 2015 19:30:38 (#7 of 30)

He also criticised the officiating in the game against Scotland, in which in his opinion several fouls on Welsh players went unpunished.

I remember that - Charlie Adam nearly took Sam Vokes' head off.

Arjuna - 20 Dec 2015 19:37:01 (#8 of 30)

You're probably one of the very few people that do

milhouse - 20 Dec 2015 19:42:20 (#9 of 30)

There's no space for them in the season, really. Too many games as it is.

xDiggy - 20 Dec 2015 19:42:37 (#10 of 30)

Doesn't sound like our Charlie, um.

I think they're fun - I enjoyed being in the pub with a bunch of Scotland fans when they hit London a couple of summers ago. The difficulty is there are now too many international matches, like all the yawnsome qualifiers against Grand Fenwick and the Sanjar of Novi Pasak.

Arjuna - 20 Dec 2015 19:44:49 (#11 of 30)

Outside of the big tournaments, international football is a bit rubbish.

xDiggy - 20 Dec 2015 19:46:46 (#12 of 30)

Way things are going we are more likely to see England play an annual friendly against a Chinese invitation XI featuring Xia Bale and Mao Ramsey, screened at 10AM on BT Sport.

HorstVogel - 20 Dec 2015 19:52:45 (#13 of 30)

As milhouse states - friendlies against a more varied opposition make more sense.



I remember a cracking friendly between England and the Netherlands a few years back (2-2?) not all of them are naff.

Arjuna - 21 Dec 2015 20:07:28 (#14 of 30)

I suspect it reached the point where it was costing more to police them than they were taking at the gates or through telly

As well the usual footy related agro, they were scrapped one season due to trouble in Northern Ireland.

moto748 - 21 Dec 2015 20:09:44 (#15 of 30)

Charlie Adam nearly took Sam Vokes' head off

Really? That's not like him...

TommyDCMBR8 - 21 Dec 2015 20:23:44 (#16 of 30)

they were scrapped one season due to trouble in Northern Ireland

They stopped playing games in NI altogether, but that was down to risk of bomb threats/action at the stadium rather than hooliganism.

Arjuna - 21 Dec 2015 20:30:36 (#17 of 30)

There were many British sides in European finals during that era, perhaps the post season tournament lost a bit of shine because of that, I can remember some HI games in the mid 70s but none of them in the 80s.

spartak - 23 Dec 2015 12:03:20 (#18 of 30)

Outside of the big tournaments, international football is a bit rubbish.

Disagree with that. IMHO many Scots, Irish, Norn and Welsh fans will tell you the recent qualification games were enjoyable on the whole. However, I did hear English pundits continually lambast the format and lament the lack of quality in their group.

TommyDCMBR8 - 23 Dec 2015 12:15:13 (#19 of 30)

The international started as a "what would happen if we took the best players from our teams and played against the best players from their teams" novelty; it really should never have been allowed to become anything more, certainly not the faux nationalist spectacle it's become.

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