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Started by widenation on Aug 2, 2018 11:25:21 PM
2. Bundesliga

I find this a fascinating league. Hamburg dumped down into it for the first time in their history, Köln/Cologne also trying to fight their way back to the promised land. Other than these two favourites for promotion, there’s the tiny Holstein Kiel who kicked arse last season but unsurprisingly failed in their playoff with Wolfsburg… Bochum - who never quite get beyond being the score draw masters, Ingolstadt - home of Audi, and Union Berlin who usually start very well but seem to lose their shit half-way through the season. Kicks off tomorrow anyway.

SteveFrench - 02 Aug 2018 23:28:47 (#1 of 634)


ZimAgain - 03 Aug 2018 00:12:13 (#2 of 634)

Looking forward to seeing how H$V do in the 2nd. Not expecting much from St. Pauli apart from the usual mediocre, not-quite-in-danger-of-relegation stuff, but I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised.

Of course, I'll miss the first ever 2nd Bundesliga derby between the two, as I'm away that weekend.

I think Kiel might struggle this season, as the euphoria of promotion from the 3rd and getting to the play-off spot will have given way to the drudge of having to do it all again.

The newly promoted teams will be interesting to watch. Can they do as well as the three from last season? Probably not, but St. Pauli will surely give Magdeburg the best possible start on Sunday.

widenation - 03 Aug 2018 00:21:24 (#3 of 634)

Paderborn back in the mix as well - Monaco's last three friendlies were all away against 2B teams: Paderborn 3-2, Bochum 2-2, Hamburg 3-1.

Kiel have also lost Ducksch to newly promoted Dusseldorf who I will watch with interest.

ZimAgain - 03 Aug 2018 00:26:02 (#4 of 634)

Correction: St. Pauli have lost Ducksch - he was on loan to Kiel. ;-)

But it was obvious he wasn't going to come back.

ZimAgain - 03 Aug 2018 22:27:48 (#5 of 634)

Wow. HSV 0-3 Holstein Kiel

Didn't expect that.

widenation - 04 Aug 2018 14:53:59 (#6 of 634)

Me neither. After that great away start Kiel don't have any really tough games till towards end of September, so have a good chance to crank up a good lead as well. They were 28/1 to win the league.

moto748 - 04 Aug 2018 19:49:00 (#7 of 634)

What channel is it on these days?

widenation - 04 Aug 2018 21:08:43 (#8 of 634)

Think you can stream all the games on bet365.

popstar7 - 04 Aug 2018 21:10:28 (#9 of 634)

I had a season ticket for St Pauli for a few years but rarely got to use it due to not being in Hanburg most weekends. I saw enough to say the level of football in the B2 is pretty chronic though.

widenation - 06 Aug 2018 19:32:48 (#10 of 634)

Quality of football isn't great, granted - and it's reasonably predictable from a betting point of view. It often stays interesting for all concerned until the bitter end though - with only 7/8 points between 4th place and safety from relegation last season for example:

popstar7 - 06 Aug 2018 19:47:12 (#11 of 634)

Yeah, that was a bit weird. But there's usually two or theee teams way ahead at the top by Christmas and a lot of not very significant games for the rest.

Three up/three down from the first and third would liven it up a bit. HSV should have gone down about five years ago but kept clinging on via playoffs or final weekend wins. The way it's set up is too forgiving of crap 1B teams and too hard on decent 2B ones.

ZimAgain - 06 Aug 2018 22:21:43 (#12 of 634)

I agree about the playoffs. Most of the time the team in the higher division gets through. There is quite a gap in quality between 1st and 2nd Bundesliga, which is just entrenched when fewer teams change divisions. I wouldn't say the 2nd Bundesliga is crap, though that's probably because it's what I'm used to.

Anyway, with the first match day over, it's a case of new division, old position for HSV. St. Pauli are above them for the first time in eight years after a cracking free kick from new signing Marvin Knoll gave them a 2-1 win in Magdeburg, who are playing their first ever season in the 2nd.

Kiel are top, ahead of Fürth, who came from behind to win 3-1 against HSV's next opponents, Sandhausen. Köln are third after a fairly easy 2-0 in Bochum.

TRaney - 06 Aug 2018 22:30:14 (#13 of 634)

I think I'll adopt Magdeburg. It's good to see them recover from the sack.

popstar7 - 06 Aug 2018 22:33:41 (#14 of 634)

Magdeburg? Shameless Dutch dilettante.

TRaney - 06 Aug 2018 22:35:54 (#15 of 634)

They also had a player in the first Figuri Panini sticker book I had. (Europe 77, fact fans)

Arjuna - 06 Aug 2018 22:37:08 (#16 of 634)

I like the teams in the old East Germany, especially ones I remember from European competitions in the 70s and 80s.

TRaney - 06 Aug 2018 22:39:51 (#17 of 634)

Are Carl Zeiss Jena still going?

ZimAgain - 06 Aug 2018 22:40:38 (#18 of 634)

Yup. Currently 3rd in Bundesliga 3.

TRaney - 06 Aug 2018 22:43:25 (#19 of 634)

Dynamo Dresden seem to be recovering too

Which only leaves Lokomotiv Leipzig and Hansa Rostock.

Arjuna - 06 Aug 2018 22:49:10 (#20 of 634)

Karl Marx Stadt are now Chemnitzer

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