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Started by PaperRustler on May 2, 2021 9:42:04 PM
Trumpocalypse XV: Old Man Yells At Cloud

You know the drill.

TableTopJoe - 02 May 2021 21:46:14 (#1 of 1856)


LaLady - 02 May 2021 21:51:42 (#2 of 1856)


StakludKar - 02 May 2021 22:11:23 (#3 of 1856)

Is he still alive

davedanon - 02 May 2021 22:14:41 (#4 of 1856)

Excellent titling. Not bad for a fake doctor, miso.

virgil5 - 02 May 2021 22:17:54 (#5 of 1856)


misosoup100 - 02 May 2021 22:28:23 (#6 of 1856)

I've just been reading this interesting interview with a legendary Simpsons writer:

misosoup100 - 02 May 2021 22:32:39 (#7 of 1856)

So Tucker Carlson as the next Trump? He already has the TV fame and the support from Fox News. I guess he would need two things to happen:

1. Be as beloved by the base. I can't claim to understand the base or predict if this will happen. However, he will need better insults.

2. The GOP needs to get behind him (eventually) as they did with Trump.

brooklyn - 02 May 2021 22:34:53 (#8 of 1856)

he needs anointment by the orange buffoon. and full support thereafter.

Pixiedust - 02 May 2021 22:39:18 (#9 of 1856)

Doesn't Spanky favour Hannity more that Carlson? I seem to recall that they had late-night phonecalls, where Hannity would tell the orange one what a magnificent specimen he was.

kvelertak - 02 May 2021 22:55:34 (#10 of 1856)

I brought the popcorn.

dreams99 - 02 May 2021 23:29:50 (#11 of 1856)

An Oregon GOP lawmaker left a closed door meeting to let insurrectionists into the building:

Pixiedust - 02 May 2021 23:39:19 (#12 of 1856)

Periodic reminder that Oregon as a state was founded as a racist white utopia where Black people were not legally allowed to live until 1925, and that the racist clauses in the state constitution were not formally repealed until 2002.

Portland is an exception. The rest of the state is... well, remember the Malheur siege?

machiavelli - 02 May 2021 23:59:29 (#13 of 1856)

So Tucker Carlson as the next Trump?

He's completely batshit.

TheSwearingBear - 03 May 2021 06:01:58 (#14 of 1856)

he needs anointment by the orange buffoon. and full support thereafter.

Fat chance of that.

dreams99 - 03 May 2021 07:47:33 (#15 of 1856)

Greenwald continuing to be a dick, denying credit to collaborators to his Pulitzer:

darkhorse - 03 May 2021 08:07:32 (#16 of 1856)

Ah, they’re all grownups, presumably they know each other from Glenn’s Guardian days, and love bitching about each other.

Following it backwards, the Greenwald snark was prompted by James Ball in his article poking Greenwald with a pointy stick. If you needle somebody in the national press, they’re likely to bark back at you.

The controversial names Substack is hosting heighten that problem: one of the platform’s biggest draws, lawyer turned journalist Glenn Greenwald, has a reputation of a man able and willing to start 10 new lifelong grudges a day on Twitter.

darkhorse - 03 May 2021 08:16:46 (#17 of 1856)

I see he (James Ball of the Guardian) annoyed Graham Linehan also, in the same article.

(Although ————> trans thread, I suppose).

Pixiedust - 03 May 2021 09:35:51 (#18 of 1856)

Proud Boys Canada, a far-right group that Ottawa named as a terrorist entity earlier this year, has dissolved itself, saying it has done nothing wrong, according to a statement by the organisation.

slimpickins - 03 May 2021 10:06:11 (#19 of 1856)

'Come join our new and completely unrelated group - The Proud Men!'

The plot to rewrite the USC:

solomongursky - 03 May 2021 11:57:31 (#20 of 1856)

Drummer in a Led Zepellin tribute band now:

pranzingfrogg - 03 May 2021 12:46:10 (#21 of 1856)

Is that real? He looks like a hologram of a muppet

brooklyn - 03 May 2021 12:59:31 (#22 of 1856)

<<The plot to rewrite the USC:>>

the stupidity is remarkable, slim. but one thing to recall -- even if there were a convention, no proposed amendment could take effect until ratified by 3/4 of the states.

Moschops - 03 May 2021 13:37:43 (#23 of 1856)

Any chance of a change of the 2nd being thrown in?

brooklyn - 03 May 2021 13:40:08 (#24 of 1856)

nope. but I like the way you think.

Tinymcsmithy - 03 May 2021 15:21:27 (#25 of 1856)

They need an amendment to the 2nd amendment that guarantees the right to bear arms, but only while dressed as a pantomime rabbit with bunny ears and a tutu.

Pixiedust - 03 May 2021 15:21:38 (#26 of 1856)

Facebook's Oversight Board has delivered its ruling on the company's indefinite ban on Donald Trump. After a delay, partially to review the more than 9,000 public comments people submitted to this case, the Oversight Board has announced that it'll release its decision on Trump's ban this Wednesday, May 5th, at 9AM ET.

If you need to slaughter livestock for burnt offerings, or select virgins for blood sacrifices, do so now.

JohnIlly - 03 May 2021 15:36:00 (#27 of 1856)

<starts hunt for virgins>

darkhorse - 03 May 2021 15:37:02 (#28 of 1856)

Do you work for Jeffrey Epstein?

popstar7 - 03 May 2021 16:11:34 (#29 of 1856)

The 2020 presidential election was not stolen. Anyone who claims it was is spreading THE BIG LIE, turning their back on the rule of law, and poisoning our democratic system.

popstar7 - 03 May 2021 16:12:47 (#30 of 1856)

On which -

This is important. And it's a canary in the coal mine for the broken state of her party that she will face far more Republican backlash for this statement of fact than those in her caucus like Marjorie Taylor Greene who constantly peddle disgusting conspiracy theories and lies.

virgil5 - 03 May 2021 16:34:35 (#31 of 1856)

Sadly it seems there’s something particularly American about the gullibility that allows a charlatan like Trump to fool so many.

The public education situation was never that good, mainly with the aim to provide compliant workers for industry. It’s still hit or miss, with critical thinking not much of a priority as social media woo takes over.


misosoup100 - 03 May 2021 16:48:59 (#32 of 1856)

Political / governance failure on an unprecedented scale: all cause mortality 2015-2020 in the US.

BuddhaPest - 03 May 2021 17:10:38 (#33 of 1856)

Something particularly American?

You're posting in a talkboard hosted in a country where Boris Johnson is Prime Minister.

misosoup100 - 03 May 2021 17:27:49 (#34 of 1856)

The failure in the US stems from a belief that the govt can only ever make things worse, which goes back to Reagan. i.e. the only role of govt is to get out of the way of the free market.

I'm sure other countries failed for a combination of similar and different reasons.

Tinymcsmithy - 03 May 2021 17:40:16 (#35 of 1856)

True. But people have distrusted governments for ever. There’s also something about celebrity and modern ‘populist’ right wing leaders.

If Johnson and Trump had not been built up as ‘funny’ crossed with ‘plain spoken’ by media establishments across the spectrum, their political careers would have gone nowhere.

I don’t understand this phenomenon at all. (My default is always that celebs are probably dickheads). But it’s clearly there.

Garden - 03 May 2021 17:41:05 (#36 of 1856)

Virgil, have you heard about Brexit yet?

Pixiedust - 03 May 2021 18:12:46 (#37 of 1856)

Or the Windrush scandal?

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 03 May 2021 18:29:33 (#38 of 1856)

Don't forget Grenfell. Where HM government told millions of owners facing unaffordable fees to remove and replace dangerous cladding to go do one. Whilst at the same time paying for Johnson's renovations.

Garden - 03 May 2021 19:05:23 (#39 of 1856)

I must say, the new look for 10 Downing Street is, well, interesting.

Possibly even worse than what Malaria did to the Rose Garden.

BuddhaPest - 03 May 2021 19:13:14 (#40 of 1856)

As Dolly Parton is fond of saying, it takes a lot of money to look that cheap.

jamalade - 03 May 2021 19:16:40 (#41 of 1856)

I think it was a Russian company who set up the audio and visual.

could be wrong

flossiefoe - 03 May 2021 20:18:26 (#42 of 1856)

Boris’ renovations are actually to the private flat at 11 Downing Street and don’t affect any of the public rooms of either house.

flossiefoe - 03 May 2021 20:20:51 (#43 of 1856)

Whereas the new media room is situated in the cabinet office, also next door to no 10, I think at no 8.

raymie - 03 May 2021 20:22:08 (#44 of 1856)

Biden meets the former President

Geri, ant and dan would disagree, but, to my mind, that means it’s true that Carter was a good president, and certainly better than any of the republicans after him

Garden - 03 May 2021 20:59:26 (#45 of 1856)

Carter was a much better president than anyone gives him credit for. America in 1978-1982 was not a pleasant place for reasons that he couldn't control. Reagan capitalized on the unpleasantness.

I don't think there's anything that Carter could have done differently.

JohnIlly - 03 May 2021 22:41:07 (#46 of 1856)

A very decent man.

OldLefty - 03 May 2021 22:41:43 (#47 of 1856)

I must say, the new look for 10 Downing Street is, well, interesting.

I'd give whoever the next PM is five minutes after first setting eyes on the flat before (s)he is on the phone to the decorators to get it all ripped out.

misosoup100 - 03 May 2021 23:37:09 (#48 of 1856)

A very decent man.

Explains why the Clintons despised him I guess.

Pixiedust - 04 May 2021 00:22:13 (#49 of 1856)

Lin Wood, addled conspiraloon lawyer, is running to be the next South Caronlina GOP party chair:

I think he's still resisting calls from the state bar association to undergo a psych eval.

Tinymcsmithy - 04 May 2021 03:40:16 (#50 of 1856)

Lordy, there’s more tapes.

Original article behind Telegraph paywall.

quartus - 04 May 2021 08:08:08 (#51 of 1856)

Of course there were tapes. They're becoming ubiquitous-

annetjie - 04 May 2021 08:52:11 (#52 of 1856)

I'd give whoever the next PM is five minutes after first setting eyes on the flat before (s)he is on the phone to the decorators to get it all ripped out.

They get 30k every year for decorating.

RosyLovelady - 04 May 2021 10:10:36 (#53 of 1856)

A chickenfeed fraction.

PaperRustler - 04 May 2021 12:30:56 (#54 of 1856)

Having successfully co-opted and flipped the term 'Fake News', Donnie is now trying to do the same with 'the Big Lie':

There is no evidence to support Trump’s allegations of mass voter fraud, and numerous audits, Republican state election officials and Trump’s own attorney general have said the election was fair.

But Trump has stuck to his story and issued a “proclamation” Monday attempting to co-opt the language his foes use to brand his falsehoods.

“The Fraudulent Presidential Election of 2020 will be, from this day forth, known as THE BIG LIE!” he wrote.

Bless him, a "proclamation'. Gotta love that "from this day forth" too; very proclamationy.

popstar7 - 04 May 2021 12:32:31 (#55 of 1856)

Very Mayor of Munchkinland use of the word.

davedanon - 04 May 2021 13:29:01 (#56 of 1856)

I assumed proclamatory powers had been revoked, upon loss of the election. Seems I was wrong.

pranzingfrogg - 04 May 2021 14:02:03 (#57 of 1856)

He never really got over winning the 2016 election, now he can’t get over losing in 2020. Sad little nobody.

Tinymcsmithy - 04 May 2021 16:55:15 (#58 of 1856)

Both couples looked happy enough to spend time together, but the Bidens appeared to be about three times larger than the Carters, most likely due to a wide-angle camera lens…

Over to our photographic expert. Dave?

I mean, I’ve seen wide angle lenses make people on the outside seem fatter, but…

dreams99 - 04 May 2021 16:58:21 (#59 of 1856)

People need to get some fucking perspective.

Tinymcsmithy - 04 May 2021 17:03:28 (#60 of 1856)

They’re not zooming in on the facts.

dmlc133 - 04 May 2021 17:07:35 (#61 of 1856)

Those pictures have been circulated widely.

davedanon - 04 May 2021 17:12:36 (#62 of 1856)

Those Carters are very far away....

davedanon - 04 May 2021 17:14:58 (#63 of 1856)

It's just wide-angle distortion, plus I reckon Mrs. Carter is pretty small. But look from Jimmy's knee down to his foot compared to Biden's. Same size.

Tinymcsmithy - 04 May 2021 17:15:53 (#64 of 1856)

Taken by an estate agent maybe.

davedanon - 04 May 2021 17:17:35 (#65 of 1856)


virgil5 - 04 May 2021 17:45:58 (#66 of 1856)



popstar7 - 04 May 2021 18:45:28 (#67 of 1856)

I care only just about enough to c&p -

NEW: Kevin McCarthy was caught trashing Liz Cheney on a hot mic, saying, "I think she's got real problems" and that he's "lost confidence" in her.

TheBigSmurf - 04 May 2021 18:54:49 (#68 of 1856)

You may be interested to hear this piece by Beau of the Fifth Column, where he discusses the Republican concept of "freeloaders," civic responsibility and vaccinations.

misosoup100 - 04 May 2021 20:31:39 (#69 of 1856)

Good luck with that:

Giuliani allies have been pressing for Trump team to have Trump's legal defense money cover Rudy legal bills.

Giuliani advisers believe that Trump is not the one to blame for why Giuliani's fees haven't been covered, and blame his advisers. But people close to Trump say that, so far, Trump has been adamant about not paying Giuliani

davedanon - 04 May 2021 20:35:03 (#70 of 1856)

I am playing a violin so small an electron microscope couldn't detect it

ZimAgain - 04 May 2021 20:36:06 (#71 of 1856)

Heart of stone, etc.

JohnIlly - 04 May 2021 21:03:33 (#72 of 1856)

No win, no fee.

BuddhaPest - 04 May 2021 21:26:46 (#73 of 1856)

"Be a shame if someone was to cut a deal for immunity if they start singing like a bird to the prosecutors, Donnie, ya know what I'm sayin'?"

Pixiedust - 04 May 2021 21:52:28 (#74 of 1856)

The Department of Justice must produce a memo cited by then-attorney general Bill Barr as his justification for not charging then-president Donald Trump with obstruction of justice following the release of the Mueller report, a federal judge ruled on Monday.

After special counsel Robert Mueller released his findings in March 2019, Barr purported to “summarize the principal conclusions” in a letter to congressional leaders that condensed the nearly 400-page report into just over three pages, which did not include a single completed sentence from the report.


The upshot of the memo, the court determined, “calls into question the accuracy of Attorney General Barr’s March 24 representation to Congress.” The judge also noted that the Justice Department’s prior description of the memo “served to obscure the true purpose of the memorandum.”

PaperRustler - 04 May 2021 22:00:49 (#75 of 1856)

Well this was worth the wait:

It's a blog.

Pixiedust - 04 May 2021 22:03:20 (#76 of 1856)

It looks like something Barron did for a school assignment.

TableTopJoe - 04 May 2021 22:03:49 (#77 of 1856)

And was marked D-.

Pixiedust - 04 May 2021 22:05:22 (#78 of 1856)

No cookie warnings, despite there being at least three that my browser is blocking. Could he fall foul of privacy laws? And if he tries to make it an app, will it be blocked by Apple's new OS?

Crayola - 04 May 2021 22:05:58 (#79 of 1856)

But how would it be an app? It doesn't do anything.

Pixiedust - 04 May 2021 22:07:12 (#80 of 1856)

If people fill in their details (bottom of the page), regular text alerts begging for money?

TheBigSmurf - 04 May 2021 22:07:28 (#81 of 1856)

It seems there is a second Steele Dossier which suggests Russian intelligence has a sex tape featuring Donald Trump.

moto748 - 04 May 2021 22:07:54 (#82 of 1856)

Say it ain't so!

SinnerBoy - 04 May 2021 22:16:56 (#83 of 1856)

TableTopJoe #77

And was marked D-

Top tip: f is just to the right of d, on your keyboard.

cozzer - 04 May 2021 22:21:48 (#84 of 1856)

Please explain to the Democrats and RINOs that the reason Texas-06 completely shut out Democrats in Saturday’s Jungle Primary is because of my Endorsement of Susan Wright, who surged last week after receiving it. The Democrats were shut out and now it will be a contest between two Republicans, a very big win.

How far behind the other Republican was Wright? Will she crash and burn amusingly?

Pixiedust - 04 May 2021 22:56:26 (#85 of 1856)

James O'Keefe has reacted the perma-banning of himself and Project Veritas by launching PV Legal, to assist people who have been "defamed" on social media. He chose to announce this by releasing a music video:

I'm so, so sorry.

SinnerBoy - 04 May 2021 23:34:57 (#86 of 1856)

I don't think that he knows what veritas means.

Pixiedust - 04 May 2021 23:37:44 (#87 of 1856)

For the tech-minded among us, a Zoom call between Mike "MyPillow" Lindell and the IT team behind his Twitter-challenger website has been leaked:

Much mirth is to be found in the comments.

Garden - 04 May 2021 23:44:38 (#88 of 1856)

Some good news for news junkies - and for one of the heroes of the White House Press Corps during the Trump years.

Garden - 04 May 2021 23:50:06 (#89 of 1856)


I don't know, there's a part of me that pities the guy. He's clearly unwell.

Pixiedust - 04 May 2021 23:56:16 (#90 of 1856)

He has enough money to seek treatment, if he so wanted. Plenty of people with mental health and/or addiction problems struggle alone without any support whatsoever and still don't support attempts to overturn an election.

Fuck him and his "religion is my new crack" philosophy.

Garden - 05 May 2021 00:15:00 (#91 of 1856)

All good points. But he clearly has some professional sociopaths taking advantage of him.

davedanon - 05 May 2021 00:48:26 (#92 of 1856)

I'm with Pixie.

Fuck him.

misosoup100 - 05 May 2021 03:26:31 (#93 of 1856)

Ted Cruz @tedcruz Had a great dinner tonight with President Trump at Mar-a-Lago. He’s in great spirits! We spent the evening talking about working together to re-take the House & Senate in 2022.

TheSwearingBear - 05 May 2021 03:52:25 (#94 of 1856)

Good plan Ted. Talk to the idiot who lost them all. Your wife’s ugly btw.

Garden - 05 May 2021 05:46:09 (#95 of 1856)

For some reason, all the news (well, tweets really) about things like Ted Cruz kissing Trump's ass at Mar-a-Lago and Kevin McCarthy badmouthing Liz Cheney and a couple of other stories have me feeling the worst I've felt since Trump lost.

Finally picked up Andrew Weissman's book, Where the law ends: Inside the Mueller Investigation from the library today.

Will reading it make me feel better?

Tadagee - 05 May 2021 07:17:10 (#96 of 1856)

and a couple of other stories have me feeling the worst I've felt since Trump lost

You might want to check how that scans Garden.

dreams99 - 05 May 2021 07:29:36 (#97 of 1856)

BBC News - Trump launches new 'communications' platform

Moschops - 05 May 2021 08:12:58 (#98 of 1856)

A blog isn't it?

Crayola - 05 May 2021 08:56:50 (#99 of 1856)

It's not even really a blog as you can't comment. Just a first person narrative web page.

The problem with Trump getting anything with an interactive element is that it would almost instantly get shouted down or even shut down by anti trump sentiment or tech. Without a strong platform from a tech perspective it's pointless.

Twitter, fine. Even Parler, fine. But your own thing? Bearing in mind his lawyers can't do law, there's no reason to think his tech experts can do tech.

Crayola - 05 May 2021 09:05:51 (#100 of 1856)

I like the BBC's judicious use of quote marks here ...

Crayola - 05 May 2021 09:09:34 (#101 of 1856)

OK, so looking at it you can directly tweet (some of - some the links don't work) the posts to your own twitter to amplify them. That may or may not break the twitter rules?

Crayola - 05 May 2021 09:10:44 (#102 of 1856)

3 post ment. Anyway I give it a couple of days before someone hacks it.

OldLefty - 05 May 2021 09:11:24 (#103 of 1856)

The plan is probably to get round the ban from Twitter by getting people to share them there. I can't see Twitter letting him get away with that.

From the BBC link:

"Users will be able to like posts - and also share them on Twitter and Facebook accounts."

crabbyoldbat - 05 May 2021 09:11:50 (#104 of 1856)

According to the BBC article, Twitter have said its okay in theory to retweet providing the retweeted content doesn't break their rules.

TRaney - 05 May 2021 09:13:48 (#105 of 1856)

It's taken him four months to think of this??

Crayola - 05 May 2021 09:17:43 (#106 of 1856)

I've just looked. It's a brilliant parody.

Oh sorry. It appears to be real.

davedanon - 05 May 2021 09:19:47 (#107 of 1856)

It's totally ludicrous and beyond pathetic.

So undoubtedly true.

Crayola - 05 May 2021 09:23:39 (#108 of 1856)

So here is an example of a post.

I like that it has a heart button but no idea where that info shows up if at all. And their excellent use of url structure. They haven't even worked out how to get the fucking urls to work properly. You know in wordpress you can just create a sensible url?

crabbyoldbat - 05 May 2021 09:25:19 (#109 of 1856)

I do, and I just do it as an add-on task. They're idiots

PaperRustler - 05 May 2021 09:28:11 (#110 of 1856)

I guess most of you have me on Ignore.

Crayola - 05 May 2021 09:28:43 (#111 of 1856)

Hahaha. Sorry!

Who said that?

Pixiedust - 05 May 2021 10:22:35 (#112 of 1856)

I bring to this thread the shocking news that the American far-right likes weapons and things that go "boom"

Federal government documents obtained by the Guardian show a wide range of explosives, flamethrowers and incendiary devices found by law enforcement agencies outside political conventions, public buildings and protests during 2020 and 2021.

The extent of the weaponry – including timed devices deposited as part of a suspected pro-Trump bomb plot –reveals the perils and potential violence circulating through American politics in the grip of unrest linked to pandemic shutdowns, anti-racism protests and rightwing activism and insurrection that culminated in the attack on the Capitol in Washington.

Please take to your fainting couches.

Tadagee - 05 May 2021 11:00:40 (#113 of 1856)

#108 He appears to be sitting on a Cath Kidston Chair

Tadagee - 05 May 2021 11:04:10 (#114 of 1856)

Heart of Stone moment

Moschops - 05 May 2021 11:30:56 (#115 of 1856)

You just know thebiglie is his password for that site

Tadagee - 05 May 2021 11:31:36 (#116 of 1856)


PaperRustler - 05 May 2021 11:32:59 (#117 of 1856)

The Facebook decision (which is today, I think) is absolutely crucial. If they allow him back, we're in deep shit.

JohnIlly - 05 May 2021 11:38:33 (#118 of 1856)

Everyone deserves a second chance, I suppose. He'll blow it in a week, of course.

browserbutton - 05 May 2021 11:46:51 (#119 of 1856)

His people have probably smoothed it with the little Facebook guy.

misosoup100 - 05 May 2021 11:48:00 (#120 of 1856)

Have to admit I won't mind seeing Liz Cheney's political career go down the tubes.

TheSwearingBear - 05 May 2021 12:55:56 (#121 of 1856)

If they allow him back, we're in deep shit.


Tinymcsmithy - 05 May 2021 12:58:45 (#122 of 1856)

The media are already pouncing on his press releases. They’ll soon be reporting his Tweets by proxy.

popstar7 - 05 May 2021 13:08:03 (#123 of 1856)

I was as good/bad as anyone for reading/reposting his tweets from 2016-2021. I just have no interest in reading/discussing his proclamations though. For now anyway.

He's not the president anymore and prepared statements don't have the same impact as his teeny-tiny thumbs tapping out his live and direct, unfiltered commentary on events.

If FB let him back he will immediately try to figure out what the boundaries are and test them. Hopefully they ban the fuck out of him again when that happens.

PaperRustler - 05 May 2021 13:16:43 (#124 of 1856)

We are clearly more of a Twitter crowd than a Facebook one, but media pundits seem to think that FB is where he had the real clout.

PaperRustler - 05 May 2021 13:20:37 (#125 of 1856)

Have we had the magnificent Judge Amy Berman Jackson's latest action?

A federal judge in Washington accused the Justice Department under Attorney General William P. Barr of misleading her and Congress about advice he had received from top department officials on whether President Donald J. Trump should have been charged with obstructing the Russia investigation and ordered that a related memo be released.

Judge Amy Berman Jackson of the United States District Court in Washington said in a ruling late Monday that the Justice Department’s obfuscation appeared to be part of a pattern in which top officials like Mr. Barr were untruthful to Congress and the public about the investigation.

She also said that Barr barely had time to skim the report, let alone analyse it fairly and rationally, and that the DOJ's (lack of) response was already a done deal.

BasilSeal - 05 May 2021 14:01:16 (#126 of 1856)

The Facebook decision (which is today, I think) is absolutely crucial. If they allow him back, we're in deep shit.

I tend to agree. generating outrage on social media was how he fueled his campaign. There was a point early on in the GOP primaries where Jeb bush had spent tens of millions of dollars on his abortive run, and trump, who was beating him hands down, had only spent in the tens of thousands.

All he had to do was post something shitty on twitter or facebook and the media reported it, it also provides a network for his supporters to amplify his message. Cutting him off from this network greatly reduces his ability to campaign and to influence others.

I really hope they keep him banned.

popstar7 - 05 May 2021 14:23:59 (#127 of 1856)

Facebook Ban On Donald Trump Will Hold, Social Media's Oversight Board Rules

popstar7 - 05 May 2021 14:25:15 (#128 of 1856)

More: The board says Facebook has six months to reexamine the “arbitrary penalty” it imposed on Jan. 7 and decide on another penalty that reflects the “gravity of the violation and the prospect of future harm.”

solomongursky - 05 May 2021 14:26:23 (#129 of 1856)

Rusbridger is on the ban hammer committee.

TheSwearingBear - 05 May 2021 14:39:29 (#130 of 1856)

But he really is just a sad old man yelling at clouds now. (And making uninvited rambling wedding speeches). I'd be surprised if a fair percentage of his 'base' aren't now re-evaluating him, in light of the new found competence of a government actually getting things done.

misosoup100 - 05 May 2021 14:53:16 (#131 of 1856)

The base are vandals. They don't want competent govt.

TheSwearingBear - 05 May 2021 15:06:31 (#132 of 1856)

True, I probably meant those who voted for him might now be reconsidering.

TheSwearingBear - 05 May 2021 15:12:08 (#133 of 1856)

He really looks much much more pathetic than Brando in On the Waterfront.

I coulda been a contender

popstar7 - 05 May 2021 15:55:37 (#134 of 1856)

Nick fucking Clegg -

The fun will never end. Facebook did not fill out form 27b/6 and everybody knows you can’t stop misinformation on a global scale without form 27b/6.

PaperRustler - 05 May 2021 16:17:13 (#135 of 1856)

So it's good news ... for now?

PaperRustler - 05 May 2021 16:20:24 (#136 of 1856)

Seems MAGA's mad with Facebook, and getting edgy about Fox. More of this, please.

misosoup100 - 05 May 2021 16:58:45 (#137 of 1856)

When I was Director of the CIA, we valued individuals based on their talent and skill, not their race or sexuality. I’ll never forget what one female analyst said to me: “Thank you for valuing me for my work. I want my abilities and achievements to define me, not my sexuality.”

PaperRustler - 05 May 2021 17:02:15 (#138 of 1856)

There's a whole Trumpian culture of 'conversations that are so ludicrously implausible that a child could tell they never happened'.

Tadagee - 05 May 2021 17:04:01 (#139 of 1856)

Trumpy ex-President

Had a grump

because he was banned from Facebook

off he went with a grumpitty grump

Trump grump Trump.

cozzer - 05 May 2021 17:04:58 (#140 of 1856)

“What Facebook, Twitter, and Google have done is a total disgrace and an embarrassment to our Country. Free Speech has been taken away from the President of the United States"

... said the ex-president, speaking freely.

JohnIlly - 05 May 2021 17:06:20 (#141 of 1856)

Ah, the old random capitalisation is back. How we have missed it.

OldLefty - 05 May 2021 17:07:06 (#142 of 1856)

"Free Speech has been taken away from the President of the United States"

Perhaps he's complaining on Biden's behalf, as he says Biden has had his free speech taken away.

JohnIlly - 05 May 2021 17:10:08 (#143 of 1856)

Well, Biden hasn't said a word today so he must have been muzzled.

brooklyn - 05 May 2021 17:13:37 (#144 of 1856)

“Thank you for valuing me for my work. I want my abilities and achievements to define me, not my sexuality.”

perhaps that was a clever and subtle way of telling Pompeo to get his hand off her butt.

pranzingfrogg - 05 May 2021 17:25:33 (#145 of 1856)

I think I’d be more inclined to believe someone said it if they had called him Sir, with tears in their eyes.

davedanon - 05 May 2021 17:32:41 (#146 of 1856)

And if he she was a big strong guy woman.

Garden - 05 May 2021 17:35:27 (#147 of 1856)

JD Vance demonstrates that not everyone benefits from an elite education.

The Facebook oversight board has more power than the United Nations.

Conservatives were right to worry about giving our sovereignty away to a multinational institution. We just picked the wrong one.

davedanon - 05 May 2021 17:37:28 (#148 of 1856)

The Facebook Oversight Board is the new Illuminati/Lizard People.

Garden - 05 May 2021 17:39:51 (#149 of 1856)

Charlie Kirk thinks Trump ought to appeal the FB Board's decision to the US Supreme Court.

PaperRustler - 05 May 2021 17:43:14 (#150 of 1856)

Looking after his buddies - how Donald Trump and the GOP crippled the IRS by underfunding it:

By then [2018], with Donald Trump in the Oval Office, the kneecapped IRS was scrutinizing the individual returns of just 0.03 percent of those $10 million–plus taxpayers, down from a peak of 23 percent in 2010. Audits of the $5 million–to–$10 million filers fell from just under 15 percent to a scant 0.04 percent.

Only 0.03% of $10 million-plus earners under audit. How unlucky was Donnie that he was one of that tiny number under audit, and for all those years?

davedanon - 05 May 2021 17:44:12 (#151 of 1856)

Who's that loon that paints those ludicrous heroic portraits of Trump? McGuigan or McGahern or something. I bet he could come up with something appropriate for this scenario.

misosoup100 - 05 May 2021 17:44:41 (#152 of 1856)

JD Vance has also received $10M in funding from Peter Thiel.

PaperRustler - 05 May 2021 17:49:19 (#153 of 1856)

McNaughton, dave - and here for your pleasure is his latest:

Sadly the URL gives it away a bit.

brooklyn - 05 May 2021 17:52:47 (#154 of 1856)

we should have a cartoon caption contest for that one.

davedanon - 05 May 2021 17:56:33 (#155 of 1856)

By McNaughton's standards that is positively restrained.

pranzingfrogg - 05 May 2021 17:57:52 (#156 of 1856)

He charges HOW MUCH for drawings of fantasies?

JohnIlly - 05 May 2021 18:40:33 (#157 of 1856)

Mount Rushmore isn't the place for Trump. Aren't there any orange sandstone cliffs in the USA?

JohnIlly - 05 May 2021 18:48:23 (#158 of 1856)

They should honour him by putting his face on a nine-dollar bill.

davedanon - 05 May 2021 18:55:48 (#159 of 1856)

"Promise NOT to pay the bearer the sum of...."

Garden - 05 May 2021 19:12:17 (#160 of 1856)

This guy is covering the January 6th Insurrection trials - what a great assignment!

Appearing in court right now: Sean Watson, accused in US Capitol Insurrection.

Feds say Watson texted this after Jan. 6: "We made history today. Proudest day of my life!”

Garden - 05 May 2021 20:00:07 (#161 of 1856)

AUDITS = Americans United for Integrity and Transparency in Elections

John Brakey, an official helping oversee the audit of the 2020 Arizona election, says auditors are looking for bamboo fibers because of a baseless accusation that 40K ballots from Asia were smuggled here.

davedanon - 05 May 2021 20:21:29 (#162 of 1856)

AUDITS = Americans United for Integrity and Transparency in Elections

I'm sorry, but that's AUFIATIE, not AUDITS.

Garden - 05 May 2021 20:46:59 (#163 of 1856)

Tell it to Mr. Brakey, he's the one I got it from.

there's an amusing video clip of him in that tweet

slimpickins - 05 May 2021 20:47:31 (#164 of 1856)

Have we had the magnificent Judge Amy Berman Jackson's latest action?

I posted that earlier and got the same reaction, I realise now I posted it on the wrong thread though.

Whatever, it's probably the most significant fun story for the thread so far this week, basically if the judge is right (the full text has been held back for 2 wks pending any DOJ appeal), then Barr lied to congress under oath, which is a criminal offence.

TRaney - 05 May 2021 20:49:18 (#165 of 1856)

What were these guys thinking? That the Trump reich would last 1000 years?

Pixiedust - 05 May 2021 20:51:32 (#166 of 1856)

Tucker Carlson tried to go after Joy Reid. She responded:

Don't come for the queen if she didn't call for you.

popstar7 - 05 May 2021 20:55:24 (#167 of 1856)

TIL that Tucker's little brother is named Buckley Swanson Peck Carlson.

PaperRustler - 05 May 2021 21:09:16 (#168 of 1856)

They are Real Americans, equally at home in Mobile, Alabama and er La Jolla.

Was discussing the Donnie 'new social media' (blog) with my son, who pointed out that I'd missed - that while the right is in uproar about being 'silenced', he's come up with a solution for exactly one person. Naturally since this person is the only one he cares about, it's a solution that's just fine by him - but as always, his followers get stiffed.

JohnIlly - 05 May 2021 22:45:04 (#169 of 1856)

#162 "Democracy" supplies the missing D, as the man says in the clip.

Tinymcsmithy - 06 May 2021 01:33:33 (#170 of 1856)

Tucker Carlson tried to go after Joy Reid. She responded:

It’s fascinating how all these right wingers bang on about the elites and the educated, because 99% of them are as elite as you can get. But it’s even more fascinating how they manage to co-opt a narrative and get support for it from the disaffected. It really should be the other way around if anything and somehow liberals and the left have kind of dropped the ball on that a little bit. I’m not sure what the answer is, but I wonder if sometimes liberals and the left just don’t communicate as well.

Of course it helps if your narrative is a simple one like “we don’t like those people with cultures (especially if they’re educated)” etc.

misosoup100 - 06 May 2021 02:24:53 (#171 of 1856)

What is he doing?

Tucker claims that thousands of Americans have died after getting their COVID shots.

"What is happening now for whatever reason is not even close to normal, it's not even close to what we see in previous years with previous vaccines."

Garden - 06 May 2021 02:55:47 (#172 of 1856)

He's stoking fear. It's a remarkably effective way to keep eyes glued on his show.

Garden - 06 May 2021 02:56:40 (#173 of 1856)

Plus there's the added benefit of undermining everything the White House is accomplishing on the vaccine front.

moto748 - 06 May 2021 03:05:41 (#174 of 1856)

They walk amongst us, these pod people.

jamalade - 06 May 2021 03:24:52 (#175 of 1856)

Joy Reid: "measle blouses".

Very good. I am educated.

Garden - 06 May 2021 05:15:24 (#176 of 1856)

She's so good.

Kind of funny how transparent Tucker's racism is - she did a nice job of reminding him that non-white-men who are accepted to Harvard have the same qualifications - and that Tucker didn't get in because he didn't have them.

Except if you're Jared Kushner, then your dad buys you a place in a class. Too bad no one loved Tucker enough to do that for him.

TheSwearingBear - 06 May 2021 06:52:58 (#177 of 1856)

Gotta love Tuckums.

Tadagee - 06 May 2021 07:31:44 (#178 of 1856)

If this was the UK then I'd imagine the vaccine producers would group together to bring a defamation action against both Tucker and Fox. Not sure how that would work in the USA.

Tinymcsmithy - 06 May 2021 07:35:53 (#179 of 1856)

If Dominion can do it, isn’t it similar?

Tadagee - 06 May 2021 07:44:52 (#180 of 1856)

Yes, I'd imagine so - just meant I'm not a Yoo-Ess-Ay law guy so couldn't say for sure.

Tinymcsmithy - 06 May 2021 10:35:58 (#181 of 1856)

Fair do.

Verdigris - 06 May 2021 12:21:13 (#182 of 1856)

People die all the time. Some may, coincidentally, have had a Covid vaccination. I suspect this is how Fox and their lying piece of shit would wriggle out of a defamation claim.

Crayola - 06 May 2021 12:21:55 (#183 of 1856)

I just don't get how he is allowed to broadcast.

davedanon - 06 May 2021 12:34:21 (#184 of 1856)

I suspect Tucker is dying to be CANCELLED.

He probably thinks he could RIDE THE OUTRAGE all the way to the White House.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 06 May 2021 12:39:25 (#185 of 1856)

I don't think he has political ambitions. He just wants to be a power broker with the racists, homophobes, and general scum.

kvelertak - 06 May 2021 12:54:19 (#186 of 1856)

Grey life poorly lived right there.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 06 May 2021 13:39:41 (#187 of 1856)

The nasty little shit probably loves his life. He was born rich, never had to do any real work, and gets paid a lot to froth and lie.

davedanon - 06 May 2021 14:00:12 (#188 of 1856)

I don't think he has political ambitions.

The general opinion around here is that he does.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 06 May 2021 14:56:29 (#189 of 1856)

Well, according to Newsweek, he

had "never wanted to be involved" in a move for the presidency, adding that it was "hard to imagine" a country where he would be considered a serious candidate.

He also said that the loved what he was doing at Fox News at planned to stay at the network for the duration of a contract that "extends a while."

Asked whether he wanted to run for president in 2024, Carlson said: "I've never been involved in anything like that, I've never wanted to be involved in anything like that. I'll tell you this: I'm completely committed to saying what I think is true, and politics is a hard place to do that.

Take it for what it's worth. However, I would point out that if does want to go into politics, he's left it very late. He's over 50 and has no background in it. The only other person who has done that recently is trump: and I doubt Carlson would try and make a move on what trump considers to be his turf.

TheSwearingBear - 06 May 2021 14:59:27 (#190 of 1856)

But he's on TV. That was Trump's only qualification.

Also, they're both idiots.

cozzer - 06 May 2021 15:33:25 (#191 of 1856)

Ohio state senator calls into a Zoom debate with a background of his office to hide the fact that he was in his car at the time. Of course he still wore his seatbelt and carefully looked both ways.

The debate was on harsher penalties for distracted driving.

crabbyoldbat - 06 May 2021 15:38:17 (#192 of 1856)

Some are saying it was a deliberate joke

JohnIlly - 06 May 2021 15:49:13 (#193 of 1856)

Tucker claims that thousands of Americans have died after getting their COVID shots.

That could be true. How many in their 80s and 90s have been vaccinated? What's the normal mortality rate of that group?

misosoup100 - 06 May 2021 16:07:57 (#194 of 1856)

Please don't

Dayraven - 06 May 2021 16:58:21 (#195 of 1856)

That could be true. How many in their 80s and 90s have been vaccinated?

His figures seem to have compared Covid vaccines, which have been given to the elderly as a priority and only to adults, to the whole spread of other vaccines administered, which are heavily weighted towards children.

Garden - 06 May 2021 17:06:07 (#196 of 1856)

He's pulling numbers out of his nether regions.

JohnIlly - 06 May 2021 17:22:25 (#197 of 1856)

He's probably read How to Lie With Statistics by Darrell Huff which, I believe, is still in print

misosoup100 - 06 May 2021 17:52:54 (#198 of 1856)

Not that I care anymore but ....

Armchair public health expert Joe Rogan talking about vitamin D, sleep and water as prevention against COVID and referring to Canada's lockdown as the "Gestapo" pulling people over because "there's a cold floatin' around."

moto748 - 06 May 2021 18:17:10 (#199 of 1856)

Kind of funny how transparent Tucker's racism is

Of course it's transparent: he has to make it clear to an audience that isn't the brightest.

Garden - 06 May 2021 19:32:54 (#200 of 1856)

Good point, Moto.

Interesting nugget in this piece about Newsmax.

Long before the Trump era, Ruddy was best known as the young New York Post reporter probing the 1993 suicide of Clinton White House aide Vince Foster — and exploring the wilder, false claims that he had been murdered. His work made its mark: Brett M. Kavanaugh, then working for Kenneth Starr's investigation into the Lewinsky affair, circulated Ruddy's articles to lawyers who joined the team.

popstar7 - 06 May 2021 20:24:43 (#201 of 1856)

Doubt this will make Tucker's show tonight -

Watching Fox News has become the basis for an insanity defense.

brooklyn - 07 May 2021 00:06:16 (#202 of 1856)

borowitz on the new trump media outlet:

PaperRustler - 07 May 2021 06:42:01 (#203 of 1856)


Tinymcsmithy - 07 May 2021 10:29:12 (#204 of 1856)

F.E.C. Drops Case Reviewing Trump Hush-Money Payments to Women

PaperRustler - 07 May 2021 10:32:50 (#205 of 1856)

That is just absurd.

The Republican commissioners who voted not to proceed with an investigation, Trey Trainor and Sean Cooksey, said that pursuing the case was “not the best use of agency resources,” that “the public record is complete” already and that Mr. Cohen had already been punished.

Yes, Mr Cohen has been punished - with prison time! - so that's good enough? You don't think the person who directed him to commit the crime for which he was punished should maybe be punished too, Republican commissioners?

Tinymcsmithy - 07 May 2021 10:34:41 (#206 of 1856)

And, If I understood the article, one of the Dems didn’t bother turning up.


Tinymcsmithy - 07 May 2021 10:35:33 (#207 of 1856)

He’s going to get off everything isn’t he?

Boog23 - 07 May 2021 10:53:21 (#208 of 1856)

If you read the whole article, the decision was split along party lines, and the Republicans excuse was that "Cohen had already been punished".

So no, he's not getting off everything, only where republicans are involved in the decision on an equal basis.

dreams99 - 07 May 2021 11:06:58 (#209 of 1856)

Tinymcsmithy - 07 May 2021 11:09:26 (#210 of 1856)

I read the whole article (why the snark, out of interest?).

The point was that one Democrat simply didn’t turn up - even after a Republican recused themselves. Which suggests that perhaps the political will to prosecute isn’t there.

As for other cases, I’ll believe those when I see it.

virgil5 - 07 May 2021 11:27:02 (#211 of 1856)

If you've ever spent any time in DC you soon find out that everybody there is in on the game.

The Dems have their bars. The Repubs have their bars. All the lobbyists are working the street. What's the latest angle or scandal is their constant obsession.

Trump spent years in "show business" and knows this well. He'll be back after he's convinced the whole country that everything is a sham like he said, and he *knew* it all along.

American "public opinion" is like clay to these people.

Tinymcsmithy - 07 May 2021 13:02:11 (#212 of 1856)

How Trump is hunting down the GOP’s leading families

Tinymcsmithy - 07 May 2021 13:06:15 (#213 of 1856)

This is interesting.

Twitter on Thursday confirmed that it pulled the plug on several accounts trying to skirt its ban on former president Donald Trump by promoting his blog posts.

Crayola - 07 May 2021 14:10:42 (#214 of 1856)

Yeah. I mean they are daft for calling the accounts something trumpy. If they want to amplify it, they just need to do it through normal accounts. And therein lies the rub. Not enough people actually care what he says. They only amplified him or responded because twitter.

TheSwearingBear - 07 May 2021 14:24:17 (#215 of 1856)

Well, he was the President. Amazingly.

PaperRustler - 07 May 2021 14:33:42 (#216 of 1856)

If I were thinking critically about the Big Lie and the 'stolen' election, and examining pertinent facts, it might matter to me that Trump only lost the Iowa caucuses to Ted Cruz because of Cruz's 'fraud', that he's never won an Emmy because they're 'rigged', that Hillary won the popular vote because of millions of 'illegal' votes in California, and that he told everyone months ahead of time in both 2016 and 2020 that if he lost, he would claim fraud.

If I were thinking critically, of course, that might influence my opinion.

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TheSwearingBear - 07 May 2021 14:43:10 (#218 of 1856)

I saw another fucking idiot, Gym Jordan, call spanky the leader of the republican party the other day.

He lost everything. Are they completely fucking blind?

Boog23 - 07 May 2021 15:01:28 (#219 of 1856)

I read the whole article (why the snark, out of interest?).

I was curt, but not snarky. But apologies for even that, I am a grumpy sod today because of the elections and I need to watch my tone I guess. Funny how it comes out in a few lines of text.

The point was that one Democrat simply didn’t turn up - even after a Republican recused themselves. Which suggests that perhaps the political will to prosecute isn’t there.

That's not how it happened, in this case. There has to be a balanced panel for all FEC decisions. So one side recuses when the other is unavailable. Thus the republican recused when the democrat was absent.

The problem here is that there needs to be a majority for the FEC to take action, which effectively renders it all a bit pointless when politics is entrenched as it is now.

The same cannot be said for the legal investigations currently underway against Trump and his family. These are either Federal or State justice department led processes, and they should follow criminal evidence regardless of political concerns.

At the moment, you can see how the Merrick Garland led DOJ is picking apart Barr's decision making processes around the Mueller report. He is being exposed for lying about the report and its conclusions, and most egregiously, lying about his decision not to take action based upon the report and its conclusions.

This is the first step to taking action based upon Mueller's recommendation to prosecute Trump for Obstruction of Justice after he leaves office.

This is only one example of how the net is closing in on Trump.

brooklyn - 07 May 2021 15:07:03 (#220 of 1856)

in that regard, this isn't my area: but I would be enormously surprised if the FEC's failure to act matters at all to the ability of the US Attorney to indict (as was of course done w/ Cohen already).

Boog23 - 07 May 2021 16:04:00 (#221 of 1856)

On that note

The rumors are true! After going dark for a year, Mueller, She Wrote (Vol 2) returns this Sunday with special guest Andrew McCabe as we break down the Judge Jackson ruling against Bill Barr.

Crayola - 07 May 2021 16:52:35 (#222 of 1856)

Was just listening to her Daily Beans and she mentioned she was bringing back MSW.

Garden - 07 May 2021 17:16:56 (#223 of 1856)

I've just started reading Andrew Weissmann's book on the Mueller Report. He starts out with his reaction to hearing about Barr's "summary" of it on the news. I remember that well - and wondering how Barr had read and digested the whole thing.

Is there going to be a Barr indictment I hope?

Tinymcsmithy - 07 May 2021 17:19:08 (#224 of 1856)

Not according to CNN legal bods.

Garden - 07 May 2021 17:31:19 (#225 of 1856)

That's too bad.

I wonder if Barr and Mueller ever talk. They were good friends pre-Trump.

Boog23 - 07 May 2021 17:44:23 (#226 of 1856)

Not according to CNN legal bods.

Was that before, or after, Judge Jackson accused Barr of lying to Congress?

Tinymcsmithy - 07 May 2021 17:45:35 (#227 of 1856)

MSNBC were trying to push the ‘Barr is in trouble’ line, but it seemed a bit scraping the barrel. I mean yes in theory perhaps, but is it gonna happen?

The cynical part of me says that Barr, Mueller and them all will get on just fine. But I doubt we’ll ever know.

Tinymcsmithy - 07 May 2021 17:45:53 (#228 of 1856)

After Boog.

Boog23 - 07 May 2021 17:50:25 (#229 of 1856)

After Boog

Ok, so what caveats were put around that? The CNN lawyers haven't seen the unredacted memo yet that Judge Jackson has ordered the DOJ to release.

Tinymcsmithy - 07 May 2021 17:58:53 (#230 of 1856)

They just felt that, realistically, it was highly unlikely even if there were something technical there.

IANAL. They are.

MSNBC always get overexcited/hyped about this kind of thing - see Mueller.

slimpickins - 08 May 2021 10:33:15 (#231 of 1856)

If the DOJ doesn't challenge the unredacted will be published and if they confirm the judges opinion, the DOJ will have to take action or justify not doing so and congress have the same choice. I don't think either body can just ignore it.

popstar7 - 08 May 2021 17:39:38 (#232 of 1856)

Keep hearing this gloomy prospect being raised in the last week -

If GOPs take the House next year what makes us think they'll agree to certify the election of a Dem president in 2024?

PaperRustler - 08 May 2021 17:49:26 (#233 of 1856)

It doesn't feel remotely as if the danger has passed, does it?

Garden - 08 May 2021 17:56:20 (#234 of 1856)

No, it doesn't.

BasilSeal - 08 May 2021 18:23:46 (#235 of 1856)

it's just on hold, while the GOP is still in thrall to extremists there's still a clear danger. The ball is in the democrat's court, but they have to play it well, and there aren't any chances left if they fuck this one up, i fear.

popstar7 - 08 May 2021 18:38:04 (#236 of 1856)

Someone was wishing an early death on Mitch McConnell on the Biden thread earlier in the week. Not very fond of him as I may be, McConnell said exactly what was needed and expected on January 6th about Biden winning the election and that it wasn't even close. What happens next time round?

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 08 May 2021 18:48:05 (#237 of 1856)

Yes, that was me. And I repeat my wish, because, regardless of his pious mutterings on January 6, the old bastard has done everything he possibly can to subvert democracy.

He vowed to prevent a second term for Obama, played fast and loose with the constitution in the matter of SC appointments, and facilitated some of trump's worst excesses. And now he's at it again.

I stand by my fervent hope he will fucking die soon.

popstar7 - 08 May 2021 18:52:30 (#238 of 1856)

the old bastard has done everything he possibly can to subvert democracy.

Clearly not.

BasilSeal - 08 May 2021 19:23:37 (#239 of 1856)

McConnel is a malign and cynical figure, the fact that he stopped just shy of actual treason and pivoted to condemn Trump, having ridden the Trump train right up to the last stop before insurrection, hardly makes him a valiant defender of democracy

At a time of national emergency, his main priority is to do whatever he can to obstruct the Biden administration and make it fail, because partisan politics is more important to him than the lives and livelihoods of american citizens.

He's a cunt, and while i wouldn't wish him dead i'll not shed many tears when his time comes. It's not like he's going to be replaced by anyone less cynical or obstructive when he goes though, and it's possible whoever takes his place won't draw the line at denying democracy.

popstar7 - 08 May 2021 19:30:59 (#240 of 1856)

and it's possible whoever takes his place won't draw the line at denying democracy.

My point, in a nutshell.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 08 May 2021 19:35:50 (#241 of 1856)

Clearly not.


BasilSeal - 08 May 2021 19:37:34 (#242 of 1856)

I do wonder if McConnel actually meant what he said, i mean Liz Cheney seems sincere, but i do wonder if McConnel only pivoted away from Trump once it became clear that Trump had no credible chance of overturning the election. I'm not sure he'd have supported Biden's victory as legitimate if he thought he could have got away with keeping Trump in power.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 08 May 2021 19:41:06 (#243 of 1856)

He certainly kept his trap shut for some six weeks, until the electoral college votes were in. Apart from, you know, saying trump had a right to challenge the election, yadda yadda.

I'm not sure he'd have supported Biden's victory as legitimate if he thought he could have got away with keeping Trump in power.

Exactly. In fact, he would have happily supported trump. McConnell is a vile partisan, a smarter version of Gingrich.

popstar7 - 08 May 2021 19:50:50 (#244 of 1856)

He could have supported Trump’s efforts on January 6th. Plenty of Republicans in the House and the Senate did. The opportunity was there. He didn’t do it. He was unequivocal; Biden won, the result wasn’t close and the Senate wouldn’t be intimidated into blocking certification.

BasilSeal - 08 May 2021 19:53:34 (#245 of 1856)

Do you think this is a sincerely held conviction though? or merely a judgement call to back the side he thought was most likely to be successful?

popstar7 - 08 May 2021 19:58:26 (#246 of 1856)

The former.

popstar7 - 08 May 2021 20:03:05 (#247 of 1856)

I mean, I believe he loathes Trump personally and considers him a threat to the GOP long term, so there’s personal preference and calculation there as well. But, no, I don’t believe he wanted any part of overturning the result and tried to stop the GOP going down that route.

BasilSeal - 08 May 2021 20:05:53 (#248 of 1856)

he is at the end of his life, and you would think it likely that he'd not want to taint his legacy with support for an insurrection, and really it ought to be unthinkable that any main stream politician would go against the rule of law and democracy in such a way.

I think you're probably correct here, but the fact that one might even consider the alternative is a measure of where American politics is at the moment.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 08 May 2021 20:33:21 (#249 of 1856)

He had ample opportunity to declare Biden the winner after Nov 3. He waited nearly 6 weeks to do so. This wasn't principle - it was waiting to see which way the wind blew.

BuddhaPest - 08 May 2021 20:57:06 (#250 of 1856)

I'm with rear on this. I think there was a line McConnell wouldn't cross, and insurrection was it. There was a lot of pretty reprehensible stuff before you got there, and he is the most appallingly devious and amoral schemer.

Even among those who didn't openly support the insurrection, there was a lot of scared equivocation. McConnell knew the election had in actuality been lost, and when it came to it he said so.

Garden - 08 May 2021 21:04:03 (#251 of 1856)

Has McConnell said anything about what's going on in the House, with Liz Cheney - and not just her, but what does he think about Lauren Boebert & Marjorie Taylor Greene? Matt Gaetz?

Sorry if I missed it...

It seems to me he's quite brilliant at his political maneuvering. He saw to it that Nancy Pelosi put off the trial until after the Inauguration, and then he waited until after the Senate failed to find Trump guilty to announce to the world that Trump is a criminal.

So he's managed to keep the GQP alive, but at what cost, given that he's not doing anything to keep the republic alive?

This is a democracy that may well be in its death throes, and he's only concerned about whether his party is in power or not.

PaperRustler - 08 May 2021 22:31:28 (#252 of 1856)

Interesting thread listing the MAGA mega-donors who'd never shown any interest in politics before, but threw millions at Donnie. What a motley crew of racists, conspiracy theorists, greedy bastards and misfits:

They all did pretty nicely out of the Trump administration, so it was money well spent. Drain the swamp indeed.

Tinymcsmithy - 08 May 2021 22:38:54 (#253 of 1856)

Mcconnell simply misjudged his moment and his colleagues with regard to 6 Jan. Hence his subsequent backtracking.

He has no principles or lines he’s morally afraid of crossing.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 09 May 2021 00:34:30 (#254 of 1856)

A bit like Lindsey Graham. Went from excoriating trump to fawning over him. Then on Jan. 6 seemed to have found his spine.

But then promptly lost it again.

Tinymcsmithy - 09 May 2021 00:53:46 (#255 of 1856)


TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 09 May 2021 01:25:24 (#256 of 1856)

Then again, he's part of a distinguished group, which includes Ted Cruz.

Garden - 09 May 2021 01:55:36 (#257 of 1856)


That's a proper collection of deplorable human beings. Turns out the rich are different from us - they're much more comfortable in the gutter.

popstar7 - 09 May 2021 02:46:26 (#258 of 1856)

Mcconnell simply misjudged his moment and his colleagues

McConnell didn't misjudge shit and he very well understood his colleagues and their motivations. He knew the presidential game would be up on December 14th when the electoral college votes were cast. And he called Biden and Harris that day to congratulate them on their victory.

He also knew that two senate seats in Georgia were in play on Jan 5th and winning one or both of them would give him a block on anything the new administration would want to do. Ideal outcome for him? Get rid of Trump and win one/both of the Georgia senate races. And that's politics, not insurrection. That's not against the constitution or democracy.

Trump's vanity fucked McConnell and his plan. Trump turned Georgia into a vote on a 'stolen' election and the Republicans lost both contests. Would McConnell have taken two new Republican senators from Georgia? Joyously. If he'd got them would he have tried to overturn Biden's election victory? No. Why would he? He could just obstruct/destroy Biden's presidency in his normal style.

There was no point after the election when McConnell was going to back a Trump coup/insurrection. He wanted Trump gone and control of the Senate. Absent control of the Senate, he still wanted Trump gone.

Tinymcsmithy - 09 May 2021 02:54:58 (#259 of 1856)

So, as I said, it was a misjudgment by McConnell.

popstar7 - 09 May 2021 03:07:31 (#260 of 1856)

Well, you'll have to explain who/how/what he misjudged. His strategy post-election seems pretty clear to me. None of it involved assisting Trump in overturning the election result.

thePiMan - 09 May 2021 08:09:57 (#261 of 1856)

if he had come out and congratulated Biden on his win and confirmed the Trump loss, Trump may not have been able to ruin the two Georgia races. his silence gave Trump some validation in the eyes of some of the electorate

PaperRustler - 09 May 2021 10:10:30 (#262 of 1856)

It's hard to imagine a wilier politician than McConnell, but you have to wonder if the whole of the GOP leadership held this view (from a prescient WaPo article on November 10th):

“What is the downside for humoring him for this little bit of time? No one seriously thinks the results will change,” the official said. “He went golfing this weekend. It’s not like he’s plotting how to prevent Joe Biden from taking power on Jan. 20. He’s tweeting about filing some lawsuits, those lawsuits will fail, then he’ll tweet some more about how the election was stolen, and then he’ll leave.”

As we now know, and as the Post predicted, there was a huge downside. It's possible that McConnell, for once in his political life, misjudged.

Tinymcsmithy - 09 May 2021 10:20:10 (#263 of 1856)


And there were several reports that he was trying to gain support for moving on, but had to abandon that pretty swiftly.

slimpickins - 09 May 2021 10:54:44 (#264 of 1856)

I don't see McConnell as wiley, more Trump with brians in that he cares nothing for norms or civility and is willing to do anything to achieve what he wants. So, for example, he can block an Obama SCOTUS nomination because it's a year before an election and push Trump's through in the dying days of his administration.

BasilSeal - 09 May 2021 13:40:39 (#265 of 1856)

It seems the most important attribute for a republican politician these days is a brass neck. The likes of McConnel and Graham are utterly shameless, and have realised that there's no downside to their brazen hypocrisy because the sort of people whose vote might be swayed by such behaviour vote democrat anyway.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 09 May 2021 13:45:25 (#266 of 1856)

Which is how one finds oneself reluctantly praising people like Romney and Cheney for their "courage."

They're just not as shit as the rest.

BasilSeal - 09 May 2021 13:52:24 (#267 of 1856)

Indeed, they are lauded as principled and statesmanlike merely for meeting the very minimum standard of political behavior, ie supporting democracy and the rule of law.

TheSwearingBear - 09 May 2021 13:58:13 (#268 of 1856)

And despising Trump.

Tinymcsmithy - 09 May 2021 14:43:10 (#269 of 1856)

“ MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell has taken more jabs at Dominion, accusing it of a voting 'cover-up' and suggesting its workers 'turn themselves in'”

These people can’t shut up even when it’s in their interest.

thePiMan - 09 May 2021 14:46:20 (#270 of 1856)

he's a crackhead, no point expecting him to act in his own best interest

Tinymcsmithy - 09 May 2021 14:47:53 (#271 of 1856)

He’s obviously got issues.

But then Gaetze and the others are similar.

TheSwearingBear - 09 May 2021 14:59:32 (#272 of 1856)

He’s obviously got issues.

You gotta wonder how someone so fucked in the head could create a successful business.

JohnIlly - 09 May 2021 15:29:33 (#273 of 1856)

Maybe they're really good pillows.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 09 May 2021 16:30:11 (#274 of 1856)

They're not.

PaperRustler - 09 May 2021 16:43:56 (#275 of 1856)

Yeah, 'big chunks of memory foam' that you can feel through the thin cover, doesn't sound too appealing.

popstar7 - 09 May 2021 16:46:43 (#276 of 1856)

Olivia Nuzzi road tested them. Verdict: horrible.

JohnIlly - 09 May 2021 16:55:19 (#277 of 1856)

Any kind of memory foam sounds like a very bad idea for a pillow unless you sleep like a corpse.

davedanon - 09 May 2021 19:17:28 (#278 of 1856)

IKEA's memory foam pillows aren't bad. I prefer a firmer pillow anyway, those big soft ones makes me feel like I'm drowning.

Pixiedust - 09 May 2021 19:53:09 (#279 of 1856)

I'm so sorry to do this to all of you, but if I have to suffer, so do you:

Verdigris - 09 May 2021 19:57:11 (#280 of 1856)

You could at least have picked "format=jpeg&name=small".

pranzingfrogg - 09 May 2021 19:57:16 (#281 of 1856)

That’s not just NSFW, it’s NSFA (Not Safe For Anywhere). I think my surgical wound just reopened with retching.

Pixiedust - 09 May 2021 19:58:35 (#282 of 1856)

Again, I'm so, so sorry. But you know, a problem shared...

cozzer - 09 May 2021 19:59:09 (#283 of 1856)

Some men should buy one and send photos to the retailer of them being used.

Garden - 09 May 2021 20:13:51 (#284 of 1856)

I don't understand why they specify "not for men".

cozzer - 09 May 2021 20:14:50 (#285 of 1856)

Because they can’t handle the idea of a man shoving one up his bum.

cozzer - 09 May 2021 20:15:20 (#286 of 1856)

Which is why it would be funny to get some men to do it and send photos.

Garden - 09 May 2021 20:16:08 (#287 of 1856)

Any volunteers?

Tadagee - 09 May 2021 20:17:01 (#288 of 1856)

That looks like 'The Thing'.

popstar7 - 09 May 2021 20:18:12 (#289 of 1856)

Nothing in these comments has changed my initial 'not clicking on that' decision.

popstar7 - 09 May 2021 20:25:58 (#290 of 1856)

Maureen Dowd in no mood to pat Liz Cheney on the back -

brooklyn - 09 May 2021 20:42:41 (#291 of 1856)

<<I'm so sorry to do this to all of you, but if I have to suffer, so do you>>

I expect trump's attorneys to announce that they will sue to enjoin distribution of these toys until he gets his cut.

I would also expect a different version from Stormy.

moto748 - 09 May 2021 20:46:15 (#292 of 1856)



JohnIlly - 09 May 2021 21:15:35 (#293 of 1856)

But you know, a problem shared...

So. Pixie. What exactly is the problem you have with these toys? We are very understanding here.

Pixiedust - 09 May 2021 21:20:28 (#294 of 1856)

I'm normally very sex-positive!

But seeing those... things, my ovaries immediately shut down, my womb goes into hibernation and my vagina contracts to a pinprick.

I think it's self-preservation.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 09 May 2021 22:32:20 (#295 of 1856)

Imagine feeling you have to copulate with trump.

What a thought.

BuddhaPest - 09 May 2021 22:38:34 (#296 of 1856)

The dimensions would seem to be at odds with the eye-witness account of Stormy Daniels.

Pixiedust - 09 May 2021 23:00:45 (#297 of 1856)

What have I done? Gods, what have I done?!?!

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 09 May 2021 23:17:52 (#298 of 1856)

Here's a nightmare for you, Pixie:

Imagine you're in love with trump, that you long for his touch.

Pixiedust - 09 May 2021 23:20:18 (#299 of 1856)

I'm phoning my therapist and sending you the bill.

BAD Fluffy! No scritches for you tonight.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 09 May 2021 23:21:51 (#300 of 1856)


There was some playboy model who claimed she loved him, right?

Pixiedust - 09 May 2021 23:23:27 (#301 of 1856)

I'm not one to kink-shame, but anyone who finds Spanky attractive is way out of my circle of consent.

Isolde2 - 10 May 2021 00:00:02 (#302 of 1856)

Twitter have suspended an account I reported

Thanks again for letting us know. Our investigation found this account violated the Twitter Rules:

From the Desk of Donald J. Trump @N725DT We appreciate your help in improving everyone’s experience on Twitter.

Can't remember what he was saying though!

Garden - 10 May 2021 01:26:06 (#303 of 1856)

NYT evidently doesn't feel it has to access Trumpworld any more.

Locked out of Facebook, marooned in Mar-a-Lago and mocked for an amateurish new website, Donald J. Trump remained largely out of public sight this week. Yet the Republican Party’s capitulation to the former president became clearer than ever, as did the damage to American politics he has caused with his lie that the election was stolen from him.

Garden - 10 May 2021 01:26:45 (#304 of 1856)

Can't remember what he was saying though!

Was it one of those accounts that's tweeting for the Orange guy?

Isolde2 - 10 May 2021 05:39:34 (#305 of 1856)

I felt so, it felt incendiary which was why I reported it. Seems suspension confirms one of the rules was broken at least, don't know which one.

Ebadlun - 10 May 2021 09:11:42 (#306 of 1856)

US-style voter suppression comes to the UK:

dreams99 - 10 May 2021 17:44:54 (#307 of 1856)

Peter navarro certain that fauci created covid in order to kill millions of Americans:

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 10 May 2021 17:47:37 (#308 of 1856)

Navarro is a cretin.

dreams99 - 10 May 2021 17:56:00 (#309 of 1856)

Heh, david litt, ex obama speech writer, goes on newsmax to talk about musk on snl and talks instead about Dominion:

PaperRustler - 10 May 2021 17:59:46 (#310 of 1856)

#307 - remember when Trump insinuated that medical workers were stealing PPE? And later that doctors were inflating covid numbers because it earned them more money?

These people are beyond despicable.

misosoup100 - 10 May 2021 18:29:40 (#311 of 1856)

If you think Navarro is a loon on covid, look up his views on the Economy.

misosoup100 - 10 May 2021 18:46:45 (#312 of 1856)

Cancel Culture can't be stopped:

Bob Baffert blamed "cancel culture" after his horse, Medina Spirit, who won the Kentucky Derby, failed its post-race drug test. "We live in a different world now. This America's different."

misosoup100 - 10 May 2021 18:47:30 (#313 of 1856)

He also said that accusing Medina Spirit of doping was disrespectful to the horse.

Garden - 10 May 2021 19:25:13 (#314 of 1856)

If you want loons, Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene go to The Villages:

Reporting, including some interviews with MAGAts.

TableTopJoe - 10 May 2021 20:31:31 (#315 of 1856)

That's fairly terrifying.

Isolde2 - 10 May 2021 21:08:39 (#316 of 1856)

remember when Trump insinuated that medical workers were stealing PPE?

Remember when or Hancock implied NHS staff were wasting PPE?

"What I would say it is very important to use the right PPE and not overuse it."

PaperRustler - 10 May 2021 21:18:53 (#317 of 1856)

It's infinitely worse to suggest that they're stealing and selling it though.

Isolde2 - 10 May 2021 21:56:01 (#318 of 1856)

Sure. I wasn't suggesting or even thinking of whether one was worse than another.

PaperRustler - 10 May 2021 22:20:53 (#319 of 1856)

Cracking new Randy:

ZimAgain - 10 May 2021 22:28:40 (#320 of 1856)

That was good.

Pixiedust - 10 May 2021 23:52:00 (#321 of 1856)

In a letter to GOP members arguing for the removal of Liz Cheney, Kevin McCarthy writes: “We are a big tent party. We represent Americans of all backgrounds & continue to grow our movement by the day. And unlike the left, we embrace free thought & debate.”

I think the only logical response to that is to ask what kind of solvent he's huffing.

Garden - 11 May 2021 00:27:49 (#322 of 1856)

Just yesterday one of the MAGAts I know through Facebook informed me that Republicans have more diversity of thought than Democrats do.

This must be the talking point on Fox and Newsmax

ZimAgain - 11 May 2021 00:32:37 (#323 of 1856)

Happy Confederate Memorial Day from Trae:

dreams99 - 11 May 2021 06:45:52 (#324 of 1856)

We are a big tent party, which is why we're excluding anybody who doesn't believe the election was stolen.

TheSwearingBear - 11 May 2021 07:09:42 (#325 of 1856)

I can see this Republican level of denial about Trump being, in future, studied as some kind of group psychosis. What the hell is wrong with them? He abused almost all of them on his journey to losing everything and they are still in thrall. It's very strange.

Isolde2 - 11 May 2021 09:43:03 (#326 of 1856)

What the hell is wrong with them?

Disordered ducklings with a lemming as leader?

Tinymcsmithy - 11 May 2021 09:50:58 (#327 of 1856)

I can see this Republican level of denial about Trump being, in future, studied as some kind of group psychosis. What the hell is wrong with them? He abused almost all of them on his journey to losing everything and they are still in thrall. It's very strange.

Is it weird just because its the US though? I mean, plenty of other nations have had (and have) idiots just like him. Brazil, Turkmenistan, Turkey etc recently and, of course, Italy, Japan and that weird bloke with the Charlie Chaplin moustache a while back.

And the UK has this cheeky chappie with funny hair who’s killed 150,000 people,...

SinnerBoy - 11 May 2021 10:24:25 (#328 of 1856)

I see that Trump has brought a lawsuit, in a Michigan county, which he won. He's alleging massive fraud, again.

AlanII - 11 May 2021 10:26:53 (#329 of 1856)

Sounds like he may have a point in that one, just not the way he thinks he has.

misosoup100 - 11 May 2021 10:44:29 (#330 of 1856)

As many have said the reason he's so adamant there was fraud is that he knows there was fraud.

thePiMan - 11 May 2021 10:45:53 (#331 of 1856)

there was plenty of fraud, his loss would have been much bigger if there wasn't. he just didn't do enough fraud.

BasilSeal - 11 May 2021 13:50:09 (#332 of 1856)

His logic appears to be he cheated, so the only way the dems could have beaten him is if they'd cheated more bigly.

What the hell is wrong with them? He abused almost all of them on his journey to losing everything and they are still in thrall. It's very strange.

Yeah but he owns the libs, and that's the really important bit.

TRaney - 11 May 2021 13:55:40 (#333 of 1856)

It's not that complicated. Continuing to believe their guy is a hero and was cheated makes them feel better than admitting he lost fair and square and may have misled them.

TheSwearingBear - 11 May 2021 13:58:52 (#334 of 1856)

The only conclusion I can come to is that they are very very stupid. He was, and is such an obvious con man.

popstar7 - 11 May 2021 13:59:01 (#335 of 1856)

He increased their vote in the presidential election from Romney's 61 million to 63 million in 2016 and 74 million last year. He can turn out voters no other Republican can. There's solid political reasons they can't/won't turn their backs on him.

TRaney - 11 May 2021 14:00:29 (#336 of 1856)

He was, and is such an obvious con man.

But the heart of all cons is selling the feelgood. Usually on the basis you are getting one over on someone else. You can't con an honest man and all that.

TheSwearingBear - 11 May 2021 14:01:20 (#337 of 1856)

He obviously can turn out Democrat voters like no other Republican can.

misosoup100 - 11 May 2021 14:20:53 (#338 of 1856)

He increased their vote in the presidential election from Romney's 61 million to 63 million in 2016 and 74 million last year.

Both of those represent reductions in % of votes cast.

Moschops - 11 May 2021 14:23:58 (#339 of 1856)

the election of GWB in 2004 hurt more than 2000, as he didn't (obviously) cheat in that one

misosoup100 - 11 May 2021 14:27:30 (#340 of 1856)

His proxies slandered Kerry relentlessly- but I guess that isn't exactly cheating.

PaperRustler - 11 May 2021 15:17:22 (#341 of 1856)

I'm going to read a bit more about McCarthyism, because it seems at least superficially similar; opponents are dangerous socialists and communists, dissent is unpatriotic, and bizarre witch hunts and smear campaigns are the norm. (There's even the stamp of Roy Cohn on both.) Maybe the tide will turn on this, as it did on McCarthy when people realised that he did not, in fact, have any decency.

TheSwearingBear - 11 May 2021 15:21:32 (#342 of 1856)

But Trump openly paraded his indecency. He bragged about it.

brooklyn - 11 May 2021 15:36:24 (#343 of 1856)

it's not as if every "red crisis" ends with the whole American people seeing reason. (and certainly we have had such "crises" before.) it is enough if the sympathy for the crusaders wanes significantly.

sympathy for trump is waning. enough so that the trump-aligned party big shots try to keep polling info from their lesser accomplice officials.

misosoup100 - 11 May 2021 15:40:47 (#344 of 1856)

But Trump openly paraded his indecency. He bragged about it.

It is part of his appeal.

TheSwearingBear - 11 May 2021 15:42:14 (#345 of 1856)


brooklyn - 11 May 2021 15:54:34 (#346 of 1856)

from MSNBC. (I'd link to the Washington Post story, but I'm paywalled.)

<<MELBER: That`s what the opposition looks like.

But we`re increasingly seeing the signs that that`s a minority opposition. And Republican leaders are so scared of Donald Trump that they`re not just lying in public, lying to their own constituents, lying about how democracy works, and what the results the election are. All of that is a big deal.

There`s also reporting that Republican leaders were hiding how unpopular Trump is from their own members. So, they had a rank-and-file meeting with polling that showed, in core battleground states, more voters strongly opposed Trump than favored him.

And "The Washington Post" finds that they just hid that in an internal briefing. This is a Republican Party so committed to some kind of warped alternative reality of what happened in November, that they got thumped, that they lost the White House and the Senate, but they still can`t seem to face the fact that that truth won`t go away, even if you lie to yourself and your own teammates.>>

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 11 May 2021 15:58:33 (#347 of 1856)

Is it possible that they're doing this clown dance in fear of being primaried out of the race?

thePiMan - 11 May 2021 15:58:42 (#348 of 1856)


Do you not believe his indecency was part of his appeal then?

I truly believe it was

TheSwearingBear - 11 May 2021 16:02:32 (#349 of 1856)

I didn't say that in disbelief, more like disgust.

slimpickins - 11 May 2021 16:08:39 (#350 of 1856)

The Rep plan is to introduce voting laws that not only restrict voting for those they don't like but perhaps more crucially, gives their 'elected' officials the power to overrule state officials. That would avoid the problem of results being declared and them not being able to do anything about them. By 2024 they most certainly will be.

The Dems needs to pass the Fed voting law act, the future of the US as a democracy is in the greasy hands of Joe Manchin.

PaperRustler - 11 May 2021 16:42:41 (#351 of 1856)

I was referencing the 'Have you no decency?' speech that was the beginning of the end for McCarthy. He didn't actually have any either.

Garden - 11 May 2021 17:00:29 (#352 of 1856)

He increased their vote in the presidential election from Romney's 61 million to 63 million in 2016 and 74 million last year. He can turn out voters no other Republican can. There's solid political reasons they can't/won't turn their backs on him.

He's also a huge voter motivator for those who want him defeated.

He lost support among white college educated males, for heaven's sake. He's got some pockets of support in important electoral college states, but by and large the only thing his supporters can do in most other places is decide who wins the Republican primary.

The rest of us are so sick of Tea Partiers and Trumpism that we'll continue to show up in record numbers.

popstar7 - 11 May 2021 17:05:50 (#353 of 1856)

Sure, Ted -

Sen. Cruz says that S1, which would be one of the most sweeping expansions of ballot access in US history, is actually "Jim Crow 2.0"

Cruz, who voted to throw out 2020 election results in Congress, says Democrats are trying to put their “thumb on the scale” of elections by advancing a bill he says “steals voting rights”

popstar7 - 11 May 2021 17:46:43 (#354 of 1856)

Another Senate idiot -

You know who else liked universal day care:

TRaney - 11 May 2021 18:03:21 (#355 of 1856)

I think I find the genuine idiots scarier than cynics like McConnell

Tinymcsmithy - 11 May 2021 18:30:53 (#356 of 1856)

I was reading an article about the shooting of 4 innocent students in Ohio in the 70s by the National guard.

There were reports then of people saying things along the line of ‘good’ and ‘should have shot more of them’ and so on. Reports of people believing that it was all a hoax and so on. The teenager who was photographed giving aid to a shot student was threatened and harassed for years. Very similar to some of the stuff from today.

Tinymcsmithy - 11 May 2021 18:32:43 (#357 of 1856)

On another topic.

“ “I want these fat guys off my detail,” Trump is reported to have said, possibly confusing office-based personnel with active agents. “How are they going to protect me and my family if they can’t run down the street?””

ZimAgain - 11 May 2021 18:33:51 (#358 of 1856)

<tries to imagine Trump running anywhere>

Tinymcsmithy - 11 May 2021 18:46:59 (#359 of 1856)

In an orange jumpsuit in gitmo?

Pixiedust - 11 May 2021 19:24:13 (#360 of 1856)

Federal authorities probing Rep. Matt Gaetz are attempting to turn one of his former girlfriends against him, as investigators seek to secure the cooperation of a former Capitol Hill intern who previously dated the Republican lawmaker, CNN reported Tuesday morning.

According to the report, investigators believe the unidentified girlfriend accompanied Gaetz and several others on a 2018 trip to the Bahamas that stands at the center of the probe into whether the Florida congressman violated federal sex trafficking laws and had sex with a minor.

popstar7 - 11 May 2021 19:27:56 (#361 of 1856)

Federal authorities probing Rep. Matt Gaetz are attempting to turn one of his former girlfriends against him

Seems like an eminently turnable category of person. If you can't persuade one of Matt Gaetz's former girlfriends against him the FBI probably isn't for you.

moto748 - 11 May 2021 20:05:43 (#362 of 1856)


I bought the record.

airynothing - 11 May 2021 20:08:55 (#363 of 1856)

If you can't persuade one of Matt Gaetz's former girlfriends against him the FBI probably isn't for you.


PaperRustler - 11 May 2021 20:27:28 (#364 of 1856)

It is simply astonishing how many grifters gravitated towards one of their own - Students for Trump leader imprisoned for fraud:

A judge slammed the founder of Students for Trump as a “cold blooded fraudster” before sentencing him to 13 months in prison for posing as a lawyer.

John Lambert, 25, pretended to be Eric Pope, of the Manhattan-based firm Pope & Dunn. He falsely claimed to be a graduate of NYU Law School with a finance degree from University of Pennsylvania and 15 years of experience in corporate and patent law.

The baby-faced scammer from Tennessee admitted to running the racket from 2016 to 2018, which targeting people who had little or no experience seeking legal advice. Lambert earned at least $46,654 through legal advice he was totally unqualified to give.

Baby-faced indeed; he looks about 12, so how anyone thought he had 15 years of experience on top of a law qualification I don't know. Best case, you'd be about 40.

popstar7 - 11 May 2021 20:29:57 (#365 of 1856)

'You'll have plenty of time to study law and finance where you're going, young fella, me'lad'

Garden - 11 May 2021 20:45:10 (#366 of 1856)

I'm seeing at the Twitters that the NRA bankruptcy filing has been dismissed.

IMHO, this is a good thing. It means the NRA no longer has protection from the courts against its creditors, and they can start suing for their money.

Garden - 11 May 2021 21:13:35 (#367 of 1856)

A federal judge Tuesday denied an effort by the National Rifle Association to file for bankruptcy protection, ruling that the gun rights group filed the case in an attempt to fend off a civil lawsuit by the New York attorney general.

“The Court finds, based on the totality of the circumstances, that the NRA’s bankruptcy petition was not filed in good faith but instead was filed as an effort to gain an unfair litigation advantage in the NYAG Enforcement Action and as an effort to avoid a regulatory scheme,” Judge Harlin Hale wrote in a 37-page decision.

misosoup100 - 11 May 2021 21:21:36 (#368 of 1856)

Rand Paul having a go at Fauci (abut funding the Wuhan virology institute), who is again having none of it.

"Senator Paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect..."

(Not sure he is though ...)

Pixiedust - 11 May 2021 21:33:50 (#369 of 1856)

Arizona GOP have lost control of the Twitter account for their batshit audit. Access was granted to an "out of state" entity or individual who has now locked them out.

[Edit] Control has been restored to a former state rep, but the link shows some shenanigans-type connection between whoever hijacked the account and other Spanky-friendly lunatics.

slimpickins - 11 May 2021 21:42:56 (#370 of 1856)


Pixiedust - 11 May 2021 21:55:10 (#371 of 1856)

To take control of the account, the outsider would have had to change the password which, if you care about security, would need two-factor authentication. Which these fools apparently didn't bother with.

Meanwhile, the "Cyber Ninjas" are asking for access to county routers and passwords.

ZimAgain - 11 May 2021 21:57:00 (#372 of 1856)

#367 - I can't believe the NRA acted in bad faith. Where was the good guy with the faith?

davedanon - 11 May 2021 21:58:24 (#373 of 1856)

'Diseased venal terror potato' is up there with the better descriptions of Trump.

popstar7 - 12 May 2021 01:35:19 (#374 of 1856)

Soon-to-be-shitcanned Liz Cheney on the House floor -

Liz Cheney: "Our duty is clear: Every one of us who has sworn the oath must act to prevent the unraveling of our democracy. This is not about policy. This is not about partisanship. This is about our duty as Americans. Remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar."

popstar7 - 12 May 2021 01:38:35 (#375 of 1856)

GOP Rep. Liz Cheney: "Today, we face threat America has never seen before. A former president who provoked a violent attack on this Capitol, in an effort to steal the election, has resumed his aggressive effort to convince Americans that the election was stolen from him."

misosoup100 - 12 May 2021 01:48:18 (#376 of 1856)

I'm with Maureen Dowd on this.

Garden - 12 May 2021 01:50:42 (#377 of 1856)

What does Maureen Dowd say?

misosoup100 - 12 May 2021 01:53:26 (#378 of 1856)

F**k the Cheneys.

But nicer.

popstar7 - 12 May 2021 01:56:29 (#379 of 1856)


Anyway, the full speech. Worth a watch -

Freedom only survives if we protect it. We must speak the truth. The election was not stolen. America has not failed.

Garden - 12 May 2021 01:58:12 (#380 of 1856)

I'm pretty much on the fuck the Cheneys side, but I also think we can use Liz Cheney to further our side, so she's useful.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the 2022 and 2024 elections.

popstar7 - 12 May 2021 02:03:25 (#381 of 1856)

"Why don't Republicans speak out??!! Why don't they say something??!!"

<Leading Republican speaks out/says something>

"Fuck Liz Cheney. Remember WMD!"

Garden - 12 May 2021 02:10:34 (#382 of 1856)

There are arguments to be made that the Cheney wing of the Republican party put in place the necessary conditions for the Trump takeover of the government. Besides, one of her goals is to deprive women the right of control over their own bodies. And don't get me started on where she stands on people who aren't just like her.

So I'll never admire the woman.

But she can be useful.

Garden - 12 May 2021 02:30:37 (#383 of 1856)

You're right, though, Popstar. That's a good speech, worth listening to and heeding.

But her father's career is a total repudiation of the notion that reverence for the rule of law is a feature of conservatism.

Tinymcsmithy - 12 May 2021 04:36:56 (#384 of 1856)

The Cheney’s are scumbags who aren’t worth the shit on our shoes.

That one of them is in a bun fight with another faction of their party* is perhaps useful, but that doesn’t make her any less of a scumbag.

* (and let’s not delude ourselves that this is anything other that)

PaperRustler - 12 May 2021 06:32:23 (#385 of 1856)

I take popstar's point - that we complain about Republican silence and then criticise the few Republicans who stand up to be counted - but the Cheneys sure have a lot of baggage. That said, that's an excellent speech and I see no reason to doubt her sincerity on this. Anyone still in retention of their faculties would feel the way she does. I don't think it's just a factional squabble among Republicans.

Tinymcsmithy - 12 May 2021 07:05:22 (#386 of 1856)

I'm sure she has some sincerity of some sort - if we can call it that. I just don't think it's worth 0.1% of our brainpower or emotions giving a shit about it for such a repulsive individual.

And I've never called for or expected Republicans to condemn Trump. It's an irrelevance. Her aim is to try to reclaim power, by positioning herself for a longer game for when this shitshow comes tumbling down (or failing that, a book and an MSNBC career). In that sense it's a power struggle IMO.

Tinymcsmithy - 12 May 2021 07:06:40 (#387 of 1856)

Anyway, I came to say that Rand Paul is a fucking twat.

TRaney - 12 May 2021 09:14:50 (#388 of 1856)

but I also think we can use Liz Cheney to further our side, so she's useful.

To call on Republicans to put country before party then make partisan use of it would seem to feed the problem rather than solve it.

Crayola - 12 May 2021 09:41:38 (#389 of 1856)

1 - I hate having to agree with a Cheney

2 - I can't believe no one has hacked 'from the desk of ...' yet

3 - Please no one talk about 'probing' Matt Gaetz

Thank you.

misosoup100 - 12 May 2021 10:07:36 (#390 of 1856)

The enemy of a devil is not a saint but another devil.

Isolde2 - 12 May 2021 10:48:58 (#391 of 1856)

"The enemy of a devil is not a saint but another devil."

Off-topic to mention the UK, but that could be a way to get rid of the government here in the UK. Be a sheep in wolf's clothing. Wrest power by pretence, use stealth, gradually pull towards the left, just like the Tories have done. Cameron proclaimed compassion before his election. Boris promised to keep the NHS, level up - while pursuing real policies in the background.

Tadagee - 12 May 2021 14:01:27 (#392 of 1856)

Try to parse this bit of old man yelling at clouds, or rather wind turbines.

"Congratulations to Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts for the privilege they will have in looking at massive windmills that have been approved by the Biden Administration and are being built, in China of course, as part of an extraordinarily large wind farm. Wind is an incredibly expensive form of energy that kills birds, affects the sea, ruins the landscape, and creates disasters for navigation. Liberals love it, but they can’t explain why. In any event, Martha’s Vineyard, an absolutely wonderful place, will never be the same. Good Luck!"

cozzer - 12 May 2021 14:11:21 (#393 of 1856)

Wind is [...] [a] form of energy that [...] affects the sea

Well, he's not wrong

Tadagee - 12 May 2021 14:16:07 (#394 of 1856)

tbf It's also created disasters for navigation. Esp before turbine powered craft.

dreams99 - 12 May 2021 14:33:29 (#395 of 1856)

Liberals love it, but they can’t explain why

Not in ways you can understand. You think wind turbines cause cancer, and when they stop the tv goes off. It's hard to explain science stuff to someone so dumb.

brooklyn - 12 May 2021 14:43:00 (#396 of 1856)

<<Martha’s Vineyard, an absolutely wonderful place, will never be the same.>>

true, in that (like a lot of other places) it will have cleaner energy. false, in that the turbines will be 12 miles off the shore.

<<are being built, in China of course....>>

false, of course. much of the equipment will have to come from Europe, as our development of wind farming is for now behind Europe's. but "buy American when you can" provisions will be made.

SinnerBoy - 12 May 2021 15:05:35 (#397 of 1856)

There are a lot of turbine manufacturers in Germany. They have huge numbers of them onshore, particularly in the East.

50 Hz is a large offshore development, which I've worked on.

BenVrackie - 12 May 2021 15:12:26 (#398 of 1856)

He's still upset about the turbines that 'spoiled' the view from his golf course in Aberdeenshire. (The construction of which itself destroyed a scientifically significant local environment site and wildlife reserve.)

SinnerBoy - 12 May 2021 15:14:11 (#399 of 1856)

The dunes at Balmedie, which I used to visit regularly, when I lived in Aberdeen.

PaperRustler - 12 May 2021 15:28:17 (#400 of 1856)

Well, Cheney is ousted from her position as conference chair. I guess that was a foregone conclusion.

Meanwhile, Adam Kinzinger shows Matt Gaetz what one version of 'ratio' means:

cozzer - 12 May 2021 15:30:41 (#401 of 1856)

brooklyn - 12 May 2021 15:36:16 (#402 of 1856)

<<Well, Cheney is ousted from her position as conference chair. I guess that was a foregone conclusion.>>

they didn't have the guts to take a recorded vote, much less use a secret ballot like they did last time. McCarthy said he was switching to a single voice vote to demonstrate unity.

SinnerBoy - 12 May 2021 15:46:40 (#403 of 1856)

Good T-shirt:

If you don't need a mask because God will protect you, why do you need a gun?

PaperRustler - 12 May 2021 15:51:43 (#404 of 1856)

I spotted (and liked) that one. Damn good question.

davedanon - 12 May 2021 15:56:41 (#405 of 1856)

#392- #399

See also the links golf course at Doonbeg in Co. Clare, where his company applied for permission to build a seawall to protect the shoreline, "which has been affected by climate change". All while Donnie was dismissing climate change as a hoax.

TheSwearingBear - 12 May 2021 15:56:58 (#406 of 1856)

Good T-shirt:

Yeah I saw someone posit that on twitter a couple of months ago. You can just imagine the confused maga faces.

davedanon - 12 May 2021 15:59:02 (#407 of 1856)

"God takes care of the spiritual stuff and diseases. I got a human problem, I know how to deal with that"

<pats weapon">

Something like that.

dreams99 - 12 May 2021 16:32:54 (#408 of 1856)

Lin Wood is certifiable:

Lin Wood states that Trump is still the president and that the military would call on him “for the code if they need a first strike.” He also states he believes Trump signed the Insurrection Act in secret.

davedanon - 12 May 2021 16:35:36 (#409 of 1856)

Would that still count as 'free speech', or are we edging into treasonville?

jamalade - 12 May 2021 16:36:55 (#410 of 1856)

Another sex pest repugs, classy:

jamalade - 12 May 2021 16:37:15 (#411 of 1856)

Whoops I typed something.

jamalade - 12 May 2021 16:38:03 (#412 of 1856)

I forgot the roolz. Anyway I'll try again:

PaperRustler - 12 May 2021 17:24:21 (#413 of 1856)

Behold the intellectual might of the modern Republican party.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 12 May 2021 17:32:40 (#414 of 1856)

He's a little creep, and I don't expect him to last long.

Garden - 12 May 2021 17:37:35 (#415 of 1856)

He's a rising star!

Paul Gosar is going to go far, too.

Isolde2 - 12 May 2021 18:06:41 (#416 of 1856)

The dunes at Balmedie, which I used to visit regularly, when I lived in Aberdeen.

Me too when I lived in Montrose. My mother was brought up there.

Remember the chap who wouldn't sell his plot of land to Trump?

slimpickins - 12 May 2021 19:50:52 (#417 of 1856)

On the golf course? You should see what Trump has been allowed to do in spiteful revenge.

PaperRustler - 12 May 2021 19:59:57 (#418 of 1856)

Including, IIRC, refusing to serve Glenfiddich at his golf clubhouses because they sponsor Scot of the Year (which the refusenik won).

davedanon - 12 May 2021 20:04:05 (#419 of 1856)

Infinitely petty, as ever.

davedanon - 12 May 2021 20:04:19 (#420 of 1856)

PR, not Trump.

Garden - 12 May 2021 20:04:39 (#421 of 1856)

Remember the chap who wouldn't sell his plot of land to Trump?

He was featured in a documentary, wasn't he?

Isolde2 - 12 May 2021 20:10:21 (#422 of 1856)

I remember something... there were a lot of interviews with him, but probably.

You should see what Trump has been allowed to do in spiteful revenge.

What? Who allowed it?

It was Salmond who pushed the original application through for the golf course. I think Aberdeen planning threw it out by one vote at first.

slimpickins - 12 May 2021 20:30:26 (#423 of 1856)

I saw a pic of a cottage that had be surrounded with earthworks but I can't find it now. Maybe it was a fever dream.

Isolde2 - 12 May 2021 20:33:10 (#424 of 1856)

I can believe it. Should not have been allowed, that's sickening. The site is to lose its SSSI status now as the relevant sand dunes just don't exist any more.

Garden - yes, there was a documentary - and the mother of the chap who wouldn't sell died just 2 weeks ago aged 96. She lived in a caravan near her son and tried to take Trump to court about the plans - but failed as she was refused legal aid.

Verdigris - 12 May 2021 20:35:03 (#425 of 1856)

Still, Wee Eck's got his cumuppence now. Mustn't grumble.

PaperRustler - 12 May 2021 21:11:58 (#426 of 1856)

I follow this guy on Twitter because he was my son's white collar crime professor. His take on Giuliani and Barr is quite interesting:

I enjoyed this paragraph in particular:

There also have been reports that Giuliani is seeking Trump’s help in paying his legal fees and that he has not been paid for much of his legal work on Trump’s behalf. That raises some interesting prospects as well. If Giuliani feels like Trump has stiffed him, he may be more willing to cooperate against the former president. On the other hand, given all that Giuliani knows about Trump’s own potential misconduct, if Trump were to help Giuliani with his legal bills that could look like bribery of a witness, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 201: Trump paying Giuliani to keep his mouth shut.

Damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. You hate to see it.

slimpickins - 12 May 2021 21:45:05 (#427 of 1856)


Trump told his acting Secretary of Defense to use military force for what purpose?

Miller: Trump said "do whatever was necessary to protect the demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

Occurs in their Jan. 3 meeting.

Pixiedust - 12 May 2021 22:06:11 (#428 of 1856)

Remember the letter (organised by Liz Cheney) from all living former Secretaries of Defence calling for a peaceful transfer of power?

Well, it turns out the MAGATs have military brass of their own, Flag Officers 4 America:

More than 120 retired generals and admirals are firing a major salvo in the partisan wars in the form of an open letter that accuses the Biden administration of committing “direct assaults on our fundamental rights” and pushing the uncorroborated claim that the election was stolen from Donald Trump.

You can read the whole sorry PDF here:

Alternatively, you can read the Wonkette take-down:

brooklyn - 12 May 2021 22:23:32 (#429 of 1856)

<<if Trump were to help Giuliani with his legal bills that could look like bribery of a witness, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 201: Trump paying Giuliani to keep his mouth shut.>>

I suspect that Rudy could document what he thinks trump owes him. if trump simply gives him less than or up to that amount, there couldn't be a successful bribery case.

Tinymcsmithy - 13 May 2021 01:00:51 (#430 of 1856)

Really? Does bribery require a fitting the cost aspect? Can you not bribe someone a part of their request?

brooklyn - 13 May 2021 01:44:42 (#431 of 1856)

bribery requires more than giving money, of course. it has to be done with the necessary criminal intent -- here, to influence a witness. if trump and rudy can just say that trump was paying a debt, and indeed prove there was such a debt, you couldn't prove that the payment was made with the intent to influence a witness.

unless, of course, rudy took the money but tattled on trump anyway. and then it would be a credibility question for a jury: which of the two (if either) can you believe more than the other? and, relatedly: could you possibly believe rudy beyond a reasonable doubt?

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Tinymcsmithy - 13 May 2021 02:21:52 (#433 of 1856)

Thanks brooklyn.

I look forward to the court case ‘BATTLE OF CREDIBILITY’ between Donnie and Rudy.

TheSwearingBear - 13 May 2021 02:26:23 (#434 of 1856)

Imagine the ratings. Spanky would be so proud. It's almost a shame he couldn't tweet about it.

Tinymcsmithy - 13 May 2021 03:20:26 (#435 of 1856)

I would campaign for special dispensation.

virgil5 - 13 May 2021 05:40:57 (#436 of 1856)

He can now post on his own little blog, but possibly even he recognizes the foot/mouth potential there.

Garden - 13 May 2021 17:26:05 (#437 of 1856)

Nancy Pelosi thinks the Ethics Committee needs to look into Marjorie Taylor Greene's assaults on AOC.

Apparently MJT went after AOC again yesterday:

Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene aggressively confronted Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Wednesday and falsely accused her of supporting “terrorists,” leading the New York congresswoman’s office to call on leadership to ensure that Congress remains “a safe, civil place for all Members and staff.”

Two Washington Post reporters witnessed Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.) exit the House chamber late Wednesday afternoon ahead of Greene (Ga.), who shouted “Hey Alexandria” twice in an effort to get her attention. When Ocasio-Cortez did not stop walking, Greene picked up her pace and began shouting at her and asking why she supports antifa, a loosely knit group of far-left activists, and Black Lives Matter, falsely labeling them “terrorist” groups. Greene also shouted that Ocasio-Cortez was failing to defend her “radical socialist” beliefs by declining to publicly debate the freshman from Georgia.

“You don’t care about the American people,” Greene shouted. “Why do you support terrorists and antifa?”

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 13 May 2021 17:49:31 (#438 of 1856)

I hope she doesn't decide to use a gun next time. I think she's a real loony.

thePiMan - 13 May 2021 18:33:28 (#439 of 1856)

MJT, Garden?

Do you mean MTG?

BuddhaPest - 13 May 2021 18:40:19 (#440 of 1856)

I haven't bothered checking Trump's blog.

Could someone who's looked advise me how it's faring in terms of spelling and grammar?

popstar7 - 13 May 2021 18:49:33 (#441 of 1856)

I couldn’t give a toss what his blog says but I imagine the spelling will be fine because he won’t have written it

cozzer - 13 May 2021 18:50:26 (#442 of 1856)

There's still Lots of Random capital Letters.

Tadagee - 13 May 2021 19:01:08 (#443 of 1856)

You reckon it's not written by him pops? This is the latest brain splat which is definitely not protesting too much.

Donald J. Trump 5:32pm May 12, 2021

A guy named Miles Taylor, who I have no idea who he is, don’t remember ever meeting him or having a conversation with, gets more publicity pretending he was in the inner circle of our Administration when he was definitely not. Some people refer to him as “absolutely nothing.” I hear he is on CNN and MSDNC all the time, but he had nothing to do with any of my decisions, and I wouldn’t even know what he looks like. He is the guy who fraudulently wrote a make-believe book and statement to the failing New York Times calling himself “Anonymous.” That’s right, he, a lowlife that I didn’t know, was Anonymous. Now he’s putting together a group of RINOs and Losers who are coming out to protest President Trump despite our creating the greatest economy ever, getting us out of endless wars, rebuilding our Great Military, reducing taxes and regulations by historic levels, creating Space Force, appointing almost 300 Judges, and much, much more! He is a phony who will probably be sued over his fake book and fake “Anonymous” editorial, which caused so much treasonous stir. Miles Taylor and his fellow RINO losers like Tom Ridge, Christine Todd Whitman, and Crazy Barbara Comstock voted for Biden, and now look what they have—a socialist regime with collapsing borders, massive tax and regulation hikes, unrest in the Middle East, and long gas lines. He is even giving us men setting new records playing women’s sports. What a disaster for our Country it has been!

davedanon - 13 May 2021 19:14:22 (#444 of 1856)

Sounds just a mite Trump-esque to me. Just a smidgeon.

Garden - 13 May 2021 19:14:35 (#445 of 1856)

Do you mean MTG?

Yes, I apologize! An extreme case of dyslexia on steroids.

thePiMan - 13 May 2021 19:15:53 (#446 of 1856)

A guy named Miles Taylor, who I have no idea who he is, don’t remember ever meeting him or having a conversation with

followed a couple of brainfarts later by:

He is the guy who fraudulently wrote a make-believe book and statement to the failing New York Times calling himself “Anonymous.”

thePiMan - 13 May 2021 19:16:50 (#447 of 1856)

and how do you fraudulently write a book?

Verdigris - 13 May 2021 19:17:29 (#448 of 1856)

I reckon the tangerine moron must hold the world record for people he doesn't know.

thePiMan - 13 May 2021 19:17:53 (#449 of 1856)

getting us out of endless wars, rebuilding our Great Military

Why if there are no more wars, O Great One?

davedanon - 13 May 2021 19:20:45 (#450 of 1856)

That whole paragraph is like Trump's entire 4 year presidency collapsed into a singularity, a black hole of infinite malignant ignorance.

TRaney - 13 May 2021 19:23:26 (#451 of 1856)

He manages to deny knowing Taylor three times in that short spurt. It's like Rik from the Young Ones.

I like the 'probably' here too

who will probably be sued

slimpickins - 13 May 2021 19:35:17 (#452 of 1856)

There are of course several pics of them together in the OO.

popstar7 - 13 May 2021 21:23:36 (#453 of 1856)

AOC says of MTG: “I used to work as a bartender. These are the kinds of people that I threw out of bars all the time.”

popstar7 - 13 May 2021 21:24:21 (#454 of 1856)

AOC must have worked in some shitty bars.

Ebadlun - 13 May 2021 21:32:01 (#455 of 1856)

Human League earworm

PaperRustler - 13 May 2021 21:33:44 (#456 of 1856)

She's still pretty mean with a riposte, though. I wish she would debate that dullard MTG; it would be a massacre.

thePiMan - 13 May 2021 21:34:44 (#457 of 1856)

never debate an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

davedanon - 13 May 2021 21:39:46 (#458 of 1856)

playground idiocy doesn't actually win arguments. Unless the audience are also idiots.

PaperRustler - 13 May 2021 21:51:33 (#459 of 1856)

Oh dear. Greenberg has signalled that he will plead guilty to the charges against him, which is apparently v bad news for 'Tom Cruise made out of Lego' Matt Gaetz.

In fact, all the latest news is bad news for Gaetz:

thePiMan - 13 May 2021 21:53:49 (#460 of 1856)

that's good news then

PaperRustler - 13 May 2021 22:06:39 (#461 of 1856)

These mullets can't even keep their stories straight:

MTG: "Ever since Jan. 6 they can't even treat us w/ respect and we were victims, too. We didn't cause it. All these lies they say on and on and on. They need to be civil. None of them are civil to me," she said referring to Democrats.

BUT BUT BUT one of your Republican colleagues in the House said only yesterday that Jan 6 was not an insurrection but 'looked like a normal tourist visit'. So what were you a victim of, Marjorie?

TRaney - 13 May 2021 22:20:03 (#462 of 1856)

Hang on, six years of this shit and I never knew MAGA was a Reagan slogan. I'm a fucking idiot.

TRaney - 13 May 2021 22:21:37 (#463 of 1856)

Couple of nice clips of pundits talking at Reagan's victory in 1980. They moan about how the polls failed to predict it and they name Biden as a potential leader of a 'counter-revolution'. Obviously it was picked out in hindsight but still.

popstar7 - 13 May 2021 22:25:00 (#464 of 1856)

It is pretty remarkable that he was considered a credible candidate ten election cycles ago.

Ebadlun - 13 May 2021 22:32:12 (#465 of 1856)

And that he actually is, finally, leading the Reagan counter-revolution.

although it only needs one fuckwit Democrat 'moderate' senator to scupper the whole thing, so let's remain calm

JohnIlly - 13 May 2021 23:13:09 (#466 of 1856)

#443 Trump is obviously relieved to be free of Twitter's limit on size so he can now give us the full benefit of his wisdom.

popstar7 - 14 May 2021 01:42:19 (#467 of 1856)

In a private meeting last month with big-money donors, the head of the conservative Heritage Action boasted that her group had crafted the voter suppression law in Georgia and was doing the same with similar bills for other Republican state legislators.

popstar7 - 14 May 2021 01:47:05 (#468 of 1856)

In case you're wondering, as I was, whether Heritage Action was the Heritage Foundation being misnamed -

The organization was launched [in 2010] primarily as a response to The Heritage Foundation's growing membership, and the fact that The Heritage Foundation is not allowed to back legislation due to its 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. Heritage Action fulfills this role and provides a link between the think tank and grassroots conservative activists.

'Back' or, indeed, draft legislation.

quartus - 14 May 2021 08:02:01 (#469 of 1856)

It's not democracy, it's demoNOcracy.

slimpickins - 14 May 2021 08:15:13 (#470 of 1856)

Hang on, six years of this shit and I never knew MAGA was a Reagan slogan. I'm a fucking idiot.

It's even older than that, in presidential campaigns it goes back to Goldwater.

TheSwearingBear - 14 May 2021 08:31:32 (#471 of 1856)

How surprising it was plagiarised.

darkhorse - 14 May 2021 08:35:12 (#472 of 1856)

Doesn’t that imply that Reagan failed in his mission to MAGA, if Trump has to MAG all over A?

dreams99 - 14 May 2021 08:43:09 (#473 of 1856)

Not if Trump is referring to Reagan time as Great.

PaperRustler - 14 May 2021 08:47:39 (#474 of 1856)

He isn't, because nobody else gets any credit for anything.

dreams99 - 14 May 2021 08:57:49 (#475 of 1856)

Well, he isn't because the whole thing is a shallow slogan and he knows no history, but the fact that he used it as well as Reagan, which he probably doesn't know, doesn't imply anything about what he thinks Reagan achieved.

virgil5 - 14 May 2021 09:01:48 (#476 of 1856)

If "great" was before Goldwater it must have been Nixon or Eisenhower because it couldn't be FDR. No, wait it must have been before FDR so maybe Coolidge or Hoover? Somebody before 1929? Maybe Harding or Taft? Anyway, somebody who could attack everybody like the Spanish-American war and get away with it?

Teddy Roosevelt? Whoops, some kind of "Progressive".

Maybe they mean Grant or that "Cross of Gold" thing?

I'm confused. Anyway it was "great" because there was no responsibility and you could just screw everybody and get away with it. Like when corporations were declared "people". That's it.

FrankieTeardrop - 14 May 2021 09:34:00 (#477 of 1856)

If "great" was before Goldwater it must have been Nixon or Eisenhower because it couldn't be FDR. No, wait it must have been before FDR so maybe Coolidge or Hoover?

It was "great" before emancipation. Or perhaps before the end of Jim Crow. I think that's the subtext

quartus - 14 May 2021 09:43:48 (#478 of 1856)

Trump's certainly made America grate again. Its teeth for starters.

PaperRustler - 14 May 2021 09:49:27 (#479 of 1856)

He's said many times that he was the greatest president since Lincoln, and implied a time or two that he was better than the man he cringingly calls 'Honest Abe'. I doubt he could name five presidents pre-1950.

TRaney - 14 May 2021 09:51:59 (#480 of 1856)

Dunno of this works outside NL. Of you have one of those VPN things it might help. Worth a watch or tracking down elsewhere.

BenVrackie - 14 May 2021 10:42:35 (#481 of 1856)

I doubt he could name five presidents pre-1950.

Lincoln, Washington, those other two guys on Mt Rushmore - that's good enough, right?

misosoup100 - 14 May 2021 10:57:50 (#482 of 1856)

"Did you know Thomas Jefferson was president? Not a lot of people know that."

brooklyn - 14 May 2021 13:41:20 (#483 of 1856)

perhaps he'd suggest Jefferson Davis.

Pixiedust - 14 May 2021 15:20:23 (#484 of 1856)

Hapless clowns Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman have been up to their usual tricks again:

dreams99 - 14 May 2021 15:24:33 (#485 of 1856)

They're not in jail yet?

Pixiedust - 14 May 2021 15:41:24 (#486 of 1856)

Still awaiting trial.

returnofthepowermonkey - 14 May 2021 15:53:52 (#487 of 1856)

I always thought that the Make AMerica Great thing had been stolen from the British variety, which is equally stupid but at least meaningful in that there is an optional Great in the name.

popstar7 - 14 May 2021 15:58:56 (#488 of 1856)

Tbh, it's such an obvious slogan for a reactionary inclined politician I doubt any one individual or movement can claim authorship.

darkhorse - 14 May 2021 15:59:24 (#489 of 1856)

If only we'd called the country Large Britain, then we wouldn't have delusions of grandeur.

PaperRustler - 14 May 2021 16:07:40 (#490 of 1856)

Since-deleted video of MTG outside AOC's office, harassing her and generally being a giant PITA:

Towards the end you can hear one of the MAGA guys saying, 'She's like a little child' of AOC - while they draw dumb pictures in her visitors' book.

returnofthepowermonkey - 14 May 2021 16:15:14 (#491 of 1856)

This among the replies

popstar7 - 14 May 2021 16:21:01 (#492 of 1856)

#490 Intentionally mispronouncing non-English names is a real turn on for them, isn't it? OCAAAYsio-Cortez. Stuff you'd expect people to grow out of by the time they were fifteen.

See also; Tucker Carlson.

popstar7 - 14 May 2021 16:51:26 (#493 of 1856)

.@AOC: “This is a woman that’s deeply unwell. And clearly needs help. And her kind of fixation has lasted for several years now” and “raised concerns for other Members...I think that this is an assessment that needs to be made by the proper professional.”

PaperRustler - 14 May 2021 17:21:16 (#494 of 1856)

Jake Sherman tweeted that he's heard the same assessment from members on both sides of the House.

LaLady - 14 May 2021 17:47:29 (#495 of 1856)

Just seen elsewhere:

Marjorie Trailer Queen.

Wish I'd thought of that.

davedanon - 14 May 2021 17:54:50 (#496 of 1856)

Hahaha. Perfect.

slimpickins - 14 May 2021 17:59:52 (#497 of 1856)


Apart from the need for attention, I think she's goading her because in her prejudiced little brain she believes AOCs 'hot latino blood' will eventually cause her to lash out physically and she'll be thrown out of congress.

Tadagee - 14 May 2021 18:02:12 (#498 of 1856)

She's just never grown out of being the school bully has she?

JohnIlly - 14 May 2021 18:06:03 (#499 of 1856)

Any schoolteacher will tell you that female bullies are worse than males.

slimpickins - 14 May 2021 18:32:51 (#500 of 1856)

Weirdly, this was at the top of the RS front page:

One of her aides has a go at Swalwell on the floor of the House, he responds and then she tweets this:

Greene then accused Swalwell of chasing the aide in question. "Eric Swalwell chased my staffer into the Captiol [sic], cornered him and exploded in anger inches from his face," the congresswoman claimed.

davedanon - 14 May 2021 18:34:17 (#501 of 1856)

On the basis that the boss sets the tone for the staff, I presume that her people are all 100% batshit crazy.

popstar7 - 14 May 2021 18:49:54 (#502 of 1856)

BREAKING: Matt Gaetz's confidant, Joel Greenberg, admits to many crimes in plea(+80 pgs). He doesn't name Gaetz. Greenberg says he and "other adult men" engaged in "commercial sex acts" w/minor. Greenberg says he witnessed the other men having sex w/minor.

dreams99 - 14 May 2021 18:52:22 (#503 of 1856)

The ever excellent Ros Atkins on the Liz Cheney affair:

thePiMan - 14 May 2021 18:53:10 (#504 of 1856)

can't have been Gaetz, he's made of Lego so will just be smooth plastic down there.

slimpickins - 14 May 2021 19:58:10 (#505 of 1856)

Great news if Greenberg is turning on Gaetz, it might get to the point where Gaetz does the same, they both deserve long sentences.

Another MAGAhat in the news:

Voter fraud is the least of it, he's accused of killing her first.

It's worth googling his name, the news list provides a timeline of the story in headlines.

Garden - 14 May 2021 20:48:54 (#506 of 1856)

Has everyone seen where Lachlan Murdock is positioning Fox News?

I thought the Murdock offspring weren't as cuntish as their dad is.

Lachlan Murdoch Says Fox News Opinion Hosts Are 'Center-Right': 'That’s Where Middle America Is'

ZimAgain - 14 May 2021 21:02:46 (#507 of 1856)

Apart from the absurdity of saying that about Faux News, how does the middle get to be on the right? Is he thinking in terms of Europe? (Heresy!)

Or maybe he's just a bit biased himself. Naah, can't be.

PaperRustler - 14 May 2021 21:05:21 (#508 of 1856)

It's strange really; a very, very recent election would indicate that America is not in fact center-right.

Garden, one Murdoch son is almost human (James); his wife is a very active environmentalist, and I think she's had a good influence on him. Pity Lachlan got the Fox gig.

Garden - 14 May 2021 21:05:28 (#509 of 1856)

There's long been the claim, made by Republicans here, that America is a center right nation.

I've never seen the evidence for that, but it does get repeated.

And it seems somewhat irrational, especially in a country where no one actually knows what they mean by "left" and "right" and "center".

popstar7 - 14 May 2021 21:05:32 (#510 of 1856)

It’s a synonym for White America.

Garden - 14 May 2021 21:06:33 (#511 of 1856)

Thanks, PR - I have trouble keeping track of the Murdoch spawn.

Maybe Lachlan will prove to be ineffective enough of a manager to bring Fox down????

Ebadlun - 14 May 2021 21:17:00 (#512 of 1856)

Given that the Republicans have won the popular vote once since 1988 and only ever get the Senate due to a massive inbuilt imbalance in their favour, I would suggest that the US is not inherently centre right.

PaperRustler - 14 May 2021 21:49:03 (#513 of 1856)

Oh noes! Biden has cancelled Donnie's 'National Garden of American Heroes', which would have featured statues of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, er Lauren Bacall and (whut?) Whitney Houston.

davedanon - 14 May 2021 21:52:20 (#514 of 1856)

Shucks, that's just awful.

PaperRustler - 14 May 2021 21:56:18 (#515 of 1856)

Betty Bowers says it best:

Our dream of having a national tchotchke garden of Precious Moments© figurines of the famous is over.

davedanon - 14 May 2021 22:03:12 (#516 of 1856)

Heh. Someone says "Good. Now restore the Rose garden", which sentiment I wholly support.

popstar7 - 14 May 2021 22:04:05 (#517 of 1856)

The least appealing garden since Hieronymus Bosch hung up his easel.

dreams99 - 14 May 2021 22:27:02 (#518 of 1856)

An example of voter fraud. Man votes on behalf of his wife. Who was dead. Because he'd killed her.

Guess who he voted for.

Pixiedust - 14 May 2021 22:39:26 (#519 of 1856)

Jo Jorgensen?

I didn't click the link.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 14 May 2021 22:39:55 (#520 of 1856)

Compare and contrast:

Now, take a guess as to which of the two is Black and which didn't know they weren't supposed to vote.

JohnIlly - 14 May 2021 22:41:04 (#521 of 1856)

can't have been Gaetz, he's made of Lego so will just be smooth plastic down there.

There are some unusual pieces of Lego.

Pixiedust - 14 May 2021 22:45:08 (#522 of 1856)


ZimAgain - 14 May 2021 22:46:06 (#523 of 1856)

If you haven't tried it...


Tinymcsmithy - 14 May 2021 23:33:28 (#524 of 1856)

I thought the Murdock offspring weren't as cuntish as their dad is.

I’ve seen a few reports that suggest that Lachlan is way to the right of Rupert. (And Rupert is less ideologically right wing, than simply taking revenge for perceived sleights in his early years. He knows what he’s about).

As PR said, the other son is more human. (Didn’t he resign from newsCorp because of the climate denial crap?).

brooklyn - 15 May 2021 00:14:44 (#525 of 1856)

so totally sick. trump conservatives set up an organized campaign to spy on federal employees to find anyone disloyal to trump. like, sending in female operatives to date "suspects" and tape their conversations.

imagine what would have happened in the second term.

Ebadlun - 15 May 2021 00:19:48 (#526 of 1856)

What would they have done with the information? Thinking that Trump is a right twally is neither illegal nor sackable.

In fact it's a basic condition of being human.

brooklyn - 15 May 2021 00:23:19 (#527 of 1856)

among the targets was the National Security Advisor:

<<Soon after the BuzzFeed article, however, the scheme developed to try to entrap Mr. McMaster: Recruit a woman to stake out the same restaurant, Tosca, with a hidden camera. According to the plan, whenever Mr. McMaster returned by himself, the woman would strike up a conversation with him and, over drinks, try to get him to make comments that could be used to either force him to resign or get him fired.>>

ebad, trump is good at firing people. he practiced on TV. plus, careers have been ruined for much less.

TheSwearingBear - 15 May 2021 04:08:47 (#528 of 1856)

It’s not like he’s insecure or anything

Tinymcsmithy - 15 May 2021 09:04:17 (#529 of 1856)


Pixiedust - 15 May 2021 09:47:46 (#530 of 1856)

The Trump Hotel in Washington, D.C. purposely spiked its prices in March in an effort to keep out supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory, hacked police data reveals.

In a Feb. 8 intelligence briefing posted to the dark web on Thursday by the Babuk ransomware gang, which hacked Washington, D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) last month, the MPD Intelligence Division reveals that it contacted the hotel after news reports noted the unexplained price hike.

I guess this means only the rich QAnons could get a room.

quartus - 15 May 2021 09:56:51 (#531 of 1856)

But the article raises one little mystery:

MPD’s Intelligence Division confirmed with Trump Hotel management that they raised their rates as a security tactic to prevent protesters from booking rooms at their hotel should anyone travel to D.C.,” the leaked file states.

The document goes on to note, however, that police were unaware of any information suggesting that QAnon supporters had actually intended to travel to D.C. Even more interesting, police assert that the Trump Hotel was the only hotel in the area that opted to increase its prices on March 3-4.

Pixiedust - 15 May 2021 10:16:28 (#532 of 1856)

Maybe they forgot that Gab and Parler exist.

TheBigSmurf - 15 May 2021 10:17:00 (#533 of 1856)

Glenn Kirschner considers Joel Greenberg's apparent plea deal and whether he may implicate others beside Matt Gaetz:

slimpickins - 15 May 2021 10:24:26 (#534 of 1856)

The mystery being 'that police were unaware of any information suggesting that QAnon supporters had actually intended to travel to D.C.' ?

the Babuk ransomware gang, which hacked Washington, D.C.’s Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) last month,

That bit of news completely passed me by and going by the size of the dump there'll be more to come.

In other Trump hotel news, Congress is getting docs denied under the last admin:

Looks like they cover communications relating to Trump stopping the FBI building being sold off and becoming a rival hotel.

JohnIlly - 15 May 2021 11:10:04 (#535 of 1856)

Trump's photo is in the National Portrait Gallery in Washington.

The photo will make way for a painted portrait – the gallery says Trump’s team is considering artists.

Dayraven - 15 May 2021 11:14:27 (#536 of 1856)

Get David Hockney, but tell him he doesn’t need to put in as much effort as he did with the Piccadilly Circus logo.

pranzingfrogg - 15 May 2021 11:16:07 (#537 of 1856)

Will it be full face and profile, with a number underneath?

TheSwearingBear - 15 May 2021 11:17:37 (#538 of 1856)

Hope it’s that appalling fawning fuckwit whose name has been erased from my memory

He could put him in a failed casino playing poker with some stray dogs.

pranzingfrogg - 15 May 2021 11:24:30 (#539 of 1856)

Oh, the one who kept depicting him as various hero figures? I’ve forgotten his name too, but some of those portraits were toe curling.

Tadagee - 15 May 2021 12:00:22 (#540 of 1856)


JohnIlly - 15 May 2021 12:13:17 (#541 of 1856)

The others were vomit-inducing.

cozzer - 15 May 2021 12:15:33 (#542 of 1856)

Last night I dreamt I was heckling Trump at some dinner-type thing (individual tables, wedding reception style), and he fell over heavily on his arse.

OldLefty - 15 May 2021 12:22:43 (#543 of 1856)

If Trump fell over, it wouldn't be on his arse, it would be flat on his face, what with that weird way he stands leaning forward, and the big gut.

Tadagee - 15 May 2021 12:31:20 (#544 of 1856)

Weebles wobble but they don’t fall down.

popstar7 - 15 May 2021 12:44:14 (#545 of 1856)

A bunch of tough guy crying stories. For old time's sake -

davedanon - 15 May 2021 12:44:53 (#546 of 1856)

Oh, the one who kept depicting him as various hero figures? I’ve forgotten his name too, but some of those portraits were toe curling.

Jon McNaughton, as PR reminded me last week.

TheSwearingBear - 15 May 2021 12:56:07 (#547 of 1856)

You'd think his arse licking obsequiousness might be rewarded, but we're talking Trump.

TheSwearingBear - 15 May 2021 12:59:50 (#548 of 1856)

Maybe if he painted the great man leading his followers from the White House to the Capitol he might be in with a show.

brooklyn - 15 May 2021 13:12:03 (#549 of 1856)

I assume the government pays for the painting. I wonder how trump will try to scam a cut.

Pixiedust - 15 May 2021 13:15:22 (#550 of 1856)

Some sort of image rights licensing like sports stars do.

TheSwearingBear - 15 May 2021 13:19:46 (#551 of 1856)

Either way, he has to be wearing a MAGA hat.

JohnIlly - 15 May 2021 13:55:54 (#552 of 1856)

They'll need to have a thick layer of armoured glass in front of it.

Come to think of it, just a thick layer of armour would do fine.

Or they could Build The Wall in front of it.

TheSwearingBear - 15 May 2021 14:09:51 (#553 of 1856)

Which reminds me of this classic

it was probably here about a hundred thousand posts ago, but still relevant incredibly

PaperRustler - 15 May 2021 15:03:32 (#554 of 1856)

That clip gets more creepily relevant as it goes on - the 'solution' in particular!

TheSwearingBear - 15 May 2021 15:13:33 (#555 of 1856)

Yeah, although that we've mentioned the moron over 150,000 times kind of freaks me out more.

dreams99 - 15 May 2021 18:25:49 (#556 of 1856)

Kevin Mccarthy - Donald trump had more energy than biden:

BuddhaPest - 15 May 2021 18:28:08 (#557 of 1856)

Presidential afternoon naps were a good thing when it was Reagan.

BuddhaPest - 15 May 2021 18:28:39 (#558 of 1856)

Sorry, RAYGUN!

thePiMan - 15 May 2021 18:33:29 (#559 of 1856)

#556 Adderall and cocaine will account for that

misosoup100 - 15 May 2021 19:01:47 (#560 of 1856)

And anger.

popstar7 - 15 May 2021 19:34:52 (#561 of 1856)

Belief in the stolen election myth by religious affiliation (and TV news preference) -

StakludKar - 15 May 2021 20:25:02 (#562 of 1856)

This is still happening people

"Vermont nil points"

slimpickins - 15 May 2021 20:36:57 (#563 of 1856)

That woman caught committing tax fraud:

Claiming tax relief on two homes rather than the legal limit of one.

brooklyn - 15 May 2021 22:36:52 (#564 of 1856)

"Breathing Through the Rectum Saves Oxygen-Starved Mice and Pigs"

this is nothing. trump has been doing it all his life. and he's taught McConnell and McCarthy to do it as well.

especially, breathing out. unfortunately, though, the whole process seems to result in brain damage.

Pixiedust - 15 May 2021 23:01:45 (#565 of 1856)

I know that I probably shouldn't do this, but I just read the thread header, and now I can't stop singing "Old Man Yells at Cloud" to the tune of "California Dreaming" by The Mamas and The Papas.

I'm sorry.

Garden - 15 May 2021 23:07:18 (#566 of 1856)

That's an ear worm I don't mind having.

MTG has a history of stalking AOC.

A deleted video from February 2019 unearthed by CNN shows Greene arriving at Ocasio-Cortez’s office door to find it locked. She, and the men with her, then taunt the congresswoman’s staff through a mail slot and defile her guest book, all while mocking Ocasio-Cortez.

“You need to stop being a baby and stop locking your door and come out and face the American citizens that you serve,” Greene said. “If you want to be a big girl you need to get rid of your diaper and come out and be able to talk to the American citizens instead of just having to use a flap, a little flap, it’s kind of like crazy. Sad.”

Pixiedust - 15 May 2021 23:11:50 (#567 of 1856)

Turns out that the guy accompanying her on that little stalker-thon was also at the Jan 6th riot.

Pixiedust - 15 May 2021 23:26:03 (#568 of 1856)

Do not click this unless you need nightmare fuel for a restless sleep:

Don't say I didn't warn you.

Pixiedust - 15 May 2021 23:31:46 (#569 of 1856)

Lin Wood has lost his bid to lead the South Carolina GOP.

</three-post ment>

Garden - 15 May 2021 23:32:03 (#570 of 1856)

She didn't design those with his neck fold where it is on purpose, did she?


Pixiedust - 15 May 2021 23:35:37 (#571 of 1856)

Don't think about it.


TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 15 May 2021 23:40:56 (#572 of 1856)

I think Lin Wood is honestly mentally ill.

Garden - 15 May 2021 23:43:05 (#573 of 1856)

Lin Wood and Marjorie Taylor Greene are tied in the looney-toons competition.

You have to watch the video in

She is one deeply disturbed puppy.

AOC needs to petition for a restraining order.

popstar7 - 16 May 2021 00:14:33 (#574 of 1856)

Maricopa County Recorder, Stephen Richer -

Wow. This is unhinged. I’m literally looking at our voter registration database on my other screen. Right now.

We can’t indulge these insane lies any longer. As a party. As a state. As a country.

This is as readily falsifiable as 2+2=5. If we don’t call this out...

pranzingfrogg - 16 May 2021 01:02:04 (#575 of 1856)

Further down the replies is this:

Those are two quite different things: you are talking about the voter registration database.

The database which is MIA is another, that's the database from the vote counting machine of Maricopa County AZ, containing vote tallies of the votes cast in the 2020 election.

Assuming this is true, it’s still a long way from the deletion of an entire database, as Trump’s typical distortion has it. Question arises, of course, how does this random tweeter know about it?

Here’s the media ignoring the story:

The second story refers to baseless allegations on Twitter and other social media. On the basis that Trump believes there’s a problem, it’s a fair bet there isn’t anything that affects the election result. As usual.

annetjie - 16 May 2021 10:18:44 (#576 of 1856)

#568 as someone pointed out - those neck wattles!

annetjie - 16 May 2021 12:02:21 (#577 of 1856)

I find it hard to understand why AOC doesn't have protection and this cretin, MTG, just rampages on.

Tadagee - 16 May 2021 12:13:01 (#578 of 1856)

Don't they have any requirements for behaviour? If an MP did that to another MP they'd be barred.

PaperRustler - 16 May 2021 12:25:34 (#579 of 1856)

#574 - before I read the tweet, I assumed that Richter was saying that the election result was as false as 2+2=5. It seems that Donnie has been spreading his usual garbage. (His statement is a hoot, calling out Fox and Newsmax for cowardice in not following this HUGE STORY, and praising OAN as the 'hottest' network on TV.)

TheSwearingBear - 16 May 2021 12:36:22 (#580 of 1856)

It's just sad. If I didn't think he was about the worst person on the planet I might even feel sorry for him.

Tinymcsmithy - 16 May 2021 13:05:59 (#581 of 1856)

Apparently AOC has protection when she travels. But inside her workplace, you’d assume she’d be safe.

Of course nobody thought Margarine fruit-loop swivel-eyes would be quite as barking as she is.

BasilSeal - 16 May 2021 14:11:07 (#582 of 1856)

Taylor Green is genuinely unhinged, and she has guns, lots of guns. I'd be quite worried if she was following me around as obsessively as she is AOC.

Pixiedust - 16 May 2021 14:13:44 (#583 of 1856)

Proud Boy realises that maybe following the Way of the Spanky was not such a good idea:

TheSwearingBear - 16 May 2021 14:20:16 (#584 of 1856)

Oh dear, that's so upsetting.

Tadagee - 16 May 2021 14:24:54 (#585 of 1856)

<buys shares in nano violins>

solomongursky - 16 May 2021 14:32:30 (#586 of 1856)

"Trump left us bloodied on the battlefield"

-in a corridor where we'd wiped our poo on the walls

Verdigris - 16 May 2021 14:33:25 (#587 of 1856)

Be still my stony heart!

Pixiedust - 16 May 2021 14:58:57 (#588 of 1856)

You are all being very cruel.

I love it.

JohnIlly - 16 May 2021 16:00:15 (#589 of 1856)

That chap's going to be really upset when he finds out about Santa Claus.

Tinymcsmithy - 16 May 2021 19:20:56 (#590 of 1856)

Free guns for whites.

popstar7 - 16 May 2021 19:52:09 (#591 of 1856)

ABC's Jon Karl: "When you say 'dangerous' — dangerous how? Are you suggesting that Jan. 6 could happen again, or maybe something worse?"

Liz Cheney: "I think there's no question."

popstar7 - 16 May 2021 19:53:28 (#592 of 1856)

Sure seems like Fox News Sunday/Chris Wallace knows something here.

He’s now asked Kevin McCarthy and Liz Cheney about a conversation between Trump and McCarthy where the two may have tried to “get their story straight” about Jan. 6 calls

Raises prospect of “witness tampering.”

Atticus - 16 May 2021 20:16:02 (#593 of 1856)

"Matthew McConaughey ‘making calls’ about run for Texas governor – report"

No idea about affiliation mind.

Pixiedust - 16 May 2021 20:16:27 (#594 of 1856)

The cannabis lobby.

Garden - 16 May 2021 20:28:08 (#595 of 1856)

I read his memoir, he doesn't give much away about what his affiliation would be. He'd be a huge improvement over the current governor regardless.

dreams99 - 16 May 2021 20:34:41 (#596 of 1856)

I read it too. It seems he's been careful not to disclose which side he's on.

davedanon - 16 May 2021 20:39:09 (#597 of 1856)

I say Repug. Maybe not hardline whack job, but Repug.

slimpickins - 16 May 2021 20:47:37 (#598 of 1856)

Another to add to the ever growing gallery of evil Rep sex weirdos:

He's accused of sexual assault by seven women, so he hires a Trump affiliated lobbyist who decides to go after one particular women by threatening to release a sex tape made of one of the assaults she alleges.

Garden - 16 May 2021 21:48:33 (#599 of 1856)

I say Repug. Maybe not hardline whack job, but Repug.

I agree - except he seems to be very committed to personal responsibility, something that Republicans have lost all interest in. Hard to believe he'd be affiliated with the Texas Republican party, or the current Party of Trump.

popstar7 - 16 May 2021 22:02:09 (#600 of 1856)

An 'anti-Trump, sane Republican' spoiler candidate?

Garden - 16 May 2021 22:18:00 (#601 of 1856)

If it came down to a choice between MM and a traditional Texas Republican, my liberal friends in Texas would vote for MM.

misosoup100 - 16 May 2021 22:39:58 (#602 of 1856)

Anything to keep him out of movies.

Ebadlun - 16 May 2021 22:43:50 (#603 of 1856)

He'll need better diction than he had in Interstellar.

Garden - 16 May 2021 23:07:17 (#604 of 1856)

I didn't see Interstellar, but I thought he was great in Dallas Buyers Club and The Gentlemen.

TheBigSmurf - 16 May 2021 23:13:00 (#605 of 1856)

Joel Greenberg's 86-page plea and co-operation agreement has been released. Glenn Kirschner looks at it and concludes it is not good news for others he may have identified.

Atticus - 16 May 2021 23:13:44 (#606 of 1856)


He's very good. He has a very other wordly mojo.

Might make an interesting campaign if he taps into it while running.

popstar7 - 17 May 2021 00:38:01 (#607 of 1856)

.@mikeallen: “Do you think that evangelicalism has a race problem?” Rev. @Franklin_Graham: “A race problem? Um, no. No.” Allen: “How can you say no?” #AxiosOnHBO

TheSwearingBear - 17 May 2021 08:04:33 (#608 of 1856)

John Oliver manages to antagonise Israel apologists and gun nuts in one fell swoop. He might need a bullet proof vest for a while.

Pixiedust - 17 May 2021 08:08:46 (#609 of 1856)

Some mild humour:

#Breaking: In a rare public split with the CDC, dogs across the country today announced that fully vaccinated people must continue to work from home for the next 12-14 years. No exceptions.

Tinymcsmithy - 17 May 2021 08:59:22 (#610 of 1856)

Matthew McConaughey is a Christian apparently.

Doesn't make him an automatic Repub, but surprised me.

dreams99 - 17 May 2021 09:05:59 (#611 of 1856)

90% of Americans are Christians.

Crayola - 17 May 2021 09:17:05 (#612 of 1856)

In UK/US crossover, has anyone else booked tickets to all Nigel Farage's free US shows this month? I may have booked some tickets. Hope I can go!

Pixiedust - 17 May 2021 09:25:09 (#613 of 1856)

Do the K-Pop army know about Nigel Farage? Or is it TikTokers who are avid show-goers?

Pixiedust - 17 May 2021 09:32:55 (#614 of 1856)

A Space Force lieutenant colonel has been removed from his post after claiming on a conservative podcast that Marxist ideologies are overrunning America’s armed forces, CNN and reported Sunday.

Earlier this week, Lt. Col. Matthew Lohmeier appeared on The Steve Gruber Show to tout his new book, Irresistible Revolution: Marxism’s Goal of Conquest & the Unmaking of the American Military. As you might suspect from that title, Lohmeier has some strong views about the state of the military these days, which he talked about at length on the podcast

Crayola - 17 May 2021 09:34:05 (#615 of 1856)

The person leading the anti Farage charge on twitter is amusingly Tim Burgess off of The Charlatans.

Crayola - 17 May 2021 09:34:59 (#616 of 1856)

Sorry, I can't read the words 'Space Force' without thinking ARE YOU LOT 8 YEARS OLD?

BasilSeal - 17 May 2021 09:58:45 (#617 of 1856)

Back in the day, MAFF, the old Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, was known as the Siberia of the civil service, because it was difficult to sack civil servants, the incompetent and really useless ones got sent to MAFF where it was judged they would do the least harm.

I can't help thinking that perhaps Space force serves a similar purpose for the American military.

BenVrackie - 17 May 2021 10:58:54 (#618 of 1856)

Trump gets all the ridicule for his creation of THE SPACE FORCE! This is fully justified because he is, as we have established, a complete moron but the US is not the only country involved.

The Russians have had a space force since the 90s and the French now have the 'Commandement de l'espace'.

However, it seems that no-one gets to design space force insignia anywhere in the world unless they are a Trekkie:

Atticus - 17 May 2021 11:03:27 (#619 of 1856)

The officers uniforms for the US Space Force look liked they've been nicked from Starship Troopers.

JohnIlly - 17 May 2021 11:07:19 (#620 of 1856)

My son used to have a very smart shirt with a badge on it saying SPACE FORCE and SHUTTLE COMMANDER.

That was in about 1982 when he was five years old.

BenVrackie - 17 May 2021 11:12:12 (#621 of 1856)

The officers uniforms for the US Space Force look liked they've been nicked from Starship Troopers.

Why do the work when Hollywood has already done it for you?

Dayraven - 17 May 2021 11:13:04 (#622 of 1856)

They also have camouflage outfits which are green and brown instead of black with sequins.

TRaney - 17 May 2021 11:13:20 (#623 of 1856)


pranzingfrogg - 17 May 2021 11:45:56 (#624 of 1856)

Exactly what can Space Force do against the 12 foot tall alien lizards who are already running things here on Earth?

popstar7 - 17 May 2021 11:49:56 (#625 of 1856)

What makes you think Space Force would be against the 12-foot tall alien lizards?

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 17 May 2021 11:53:52 (#626 of 1856)

would be against

are not

pranzingfrogg - 17 May 2021 11:56:42 (#627 of 1856)

Fair point.

davedanon - 17 May 2021 11:57:00 (#628 of 1856)

I can not see the words SPACE FORCE! in any other way than as an emboldened all caps exclamation.


pranzingfrogg - 17 May 2021 11:59:05 (#629 of 1856)

Or if it’s in a Trump Statement SPAICE FOURCE!!!

6to24characters - 17 May 2021 12:05:08 (#630 of 1856)

Do they have red uniforms?

Samsonite - 17 May 2021 12:07:56 (#631 of 1856)

Thunderbirds are go ...

Tinymcsmithy - 17 May 2021 12:17:30 (#632 of 1856)

90% of Americans are Christians.

65% identify as such. Less are regular church goers, as he is (witch is what surprised me).

PaperRustler - 17 May 2021 12:42:57 (#633 of 1856)

I was just going to say that - it's nowhere near 90%.

This is apparently as excellent as all the others - Jonathan Swan has a new episode on Trump and the Generals:

misosoup100 - 17 May 2021 12:51:10 (#634 of 1856)

Space Forces are kind of silly, but all three of those logos are great.

brooklyn - 17 May 2021 12:52:52 (#635 of 1856)

they combine the star trek feel with unsurprising phallic symbolism.

TheSwearingBear - 17 May 2021 12:55:26 (#636 of 1856)


TheSwearingBear - 17 May 2021 12:56:48 (#637 of 1856)

that needs to said in a deep voice with loads of reverb

Eligelis - 17 May 2021 13:11:25 (#638 of 1856)

Strangely enough that's exactly the voice my mind gave it whilst reading the post.

Vendor - 17 May 2021 14:50:29 (#639 of 1856)

Thanks to The Muppet Show, any phrase ending ' space!' gets the same treatment.

OldLefty - 17 May 2021 15:08:51 (#640 of 1856)

There's also the 1950s radio series.

TheSwearingBear - 17 May 2021 15:12:59 (#641 of 1856)

Hmm, not enough reverb for me.

PaperRustler - 17 May 2021 15:18:12 (#642 of 1856)

Oh dearie me. Donnie isn't stepping up to the plate for his old buddy Rudy:

In the weeks since the feds raided Rudy Giuliani’s apartment and office in late April, close allies have tried to ferry a slew of emergency requests to former President Donald Trump and his advisers.

But according to three people familiar with the matter, Trump, as well as several of his legal advisers and longtime confidants, have been hesitant about swooping in to help the embattled Giuliani, who for years worked as Trump’s personal lawyer, a political adviser, and attack dog. Giuliani also served as a major player in the Trump-Ukraine scandal and as a key driver in the former president’s efforts to nullify Joe Biden’s clear victory in the 2020 election.

The two sources close to the former president each said Trump has repeatedly expressed sympathy for Giuliani’s ongoing woes but has not committed to overtly assisting his personal lawyer yet. Another person familiar with the situation told The Daily Beast that Giuliani has said he remains convinced that Trump won’t abandon him and will step up when the time is right.

Yeah, because Donnie has a long history of standing by people, to his own detriment.

enidcoleslaw - 17 May 2021 15:24:07 (#643 of 1856)

"he remains convinced that Trump won’t abandon him and will step up when the time is right"

Good luck with that, Rudy, you dumb prick.

"Trump has repeatedly expressed sympathy for Giuliani’s ongoing woes"

Thoughts and prayers? That usually does the trick.

JohnIlly - 17 May 2021 15:26:11 (#644 of 1856)

Trump has repeatedly expressed sympathy for Giuliani’s ongoing woes

'I weep for you,' the Walrus said: "I deeply sympathize.'

cozzer - 17 May 2021 16:05:05 (#645 of 1856)

I never spoke to him. I only found out his name the other day when people started saying very bad things about him.

thePiMan - 17 May 2021 16:05:47 (#646 of 1856)

just how does he think Trump can help?

misosoup100 - 17 May 2021 18:08:45 (#647 of 1856)


popstar7 - 17 May 2021 18:10:12 (#648 of 1856)


TRaney - 17 May 2021 18:11:58 (#649 of 1856)

Now I have an ear worm of DJTJr singing this to the tune of September Girls

popstar7 - 17 May 2021 18:17:17 (#650 of 1856)

With Kimberly Guilfoyle on keyboards and harmony like Linda McCartney.

Pixiedust - 17 May 2021 18:27:16 (#651 of 1856)

Lawyers for Rudy Giuliani slammed prosecutors for secretly obtaining electronic access to Giuliani's accounts—likening the operation that resulted in the April 28 FBI raid of his home and office to that of a drug cartel takedown

Erm... isn't that how these things usually work?

BuddhaPest - 17 May 2021 18:49:21 (#652 of 1856)

Presidential levels of maturity from Trump minor there.

A run for POTUS surely looms.

davedanon - 17 May 2021 18:51:19 (#653 of 1856)

Lawyers for Rudy Giuliani slammed prosecutors for secretly obtaining electronic access to Giuliani's accounts—likening the operation that resulted in the April 28 FBI raid of his home and office to that of a drug cartel takedown

They're treating you like a criminal, Rudy, and that's because you are a criminal.

annetjie - 17 May 2021 18:53:18 (#654 of 1856)

In UK/US crossover, has anyone else booked tickets to all Nigel Farage's free US shows this month? I may have booked some tickets. Hope I can go!

I have booked two tickets - I can't wait to not go.

davedanon - 17 May 2021 18:55:11 (#655 of 1856)

How do we do this, please? I am a big fan of Mr. Farage and his anti-immigrant views.

JohnIlly - 17 May 2021 18:55:49 (#656 of 1856)

Didn't they learn anything from that Trump rally which was fully booked by no-shows?

Obviously not.

annetjie - 17 May 2021 18:56:20 (#657 of 1856)

Link here

CloakAndDagger - 17 May 2021 18:57:39 (#658 of 1856)

No one else seeing this as a data farming attempt?

davedanon - 17 May 2021 18:58:37 (#659 of 1856)

Wtf is Farage gonna do with my details?

davedanon - 17 May 2021 18:59:03 (#660 of 1856)

Thanks, annet.

davedanon - 17 May 2021 19:04:24 (#661 of 1856)

I am also now not going to see Nige. Well, 'George Floyd' isn't. His cell number is prefix-25052020

dreams99 - 17 May 2021 19:14:12 (#662 of 1856)

C&D - you don't give your actual details.

CloakAndDagger - 17 May 2021 19:28:29 (#663 of 1856)

Ah, ok.

Pixiedust - 17 May 2021 19:29:49 (#664 of 1856)

Monday’s court appearance marked the first time Greenberg has been seen in court since the Gaetz investigation blew into the public spotlight in March. Outside the courthouse, a plane flew over during the hearing pulling a banner that read: “TICK TOCK MATT GAETZ.”

slimpickins - 17 May 2021 19:31:23 (#665 of 1856)

Surely they require a genuine email address so you can confirm the booking?

davedanon - 17 May 2021 19:32:59 (#666 of 1856)

I used an old yahoo email address.

annetjie - 17 May 2021 19:35:37 (#667 of 1856)

I used an old email address.

slimpickins - 17 May 2021 19:36:35 (#668 of 1856)


CloakAndDagger - 17 May 2021 19:38:07 (#669 of 1856)

Be interesting to see how much that gets spammed with various crap from now on, Dave.

Suspect that’s the reason behind it, rather than the actual attendance of the event.

Tadagee - 17 May 2021 19:43:59 (#670 of 1856)

I got a hankering Elmer Fudpucker III could be checking in with that Mr Faragey mighty soon.

Atticus - 17 May 2021 20:00:30 (#671 of 1856)

Space Force is as said a terrible name. It also invokes......Megaforce.

If you have obscure memories of cool looking assault bikes then look away now before the memory turns to...


Crayola - 17 May 2021 20:19:51 (#672 of 1856)

I have no idea if I get spammed as it was a spam address. Thing is it doesn’t matter if it is data mining as it is incorrect data mining. So even if you start to get emails and delete them as spam, no one is the correct demographic so it is is wasting the money of whoever is advertising. Also I of course used fake details.

dreams99 - 17 May 2021 21:13:56 (#673 of 1856)

Lindsey accepts the results of the No doubt he'll reverse that after he gets a call from trump.

Garden - 17 May 2021 22:05:34 (#674 of 1856)

What do I do when someone with the Twitter Handle of We Win Libs Lose retweets my comment?

I feel sullied somehow.

Pixiedust - 17 May 2021 22:25:32 (#675 of 1856)

Mute them.

Pixiedust - 17 May 2021 22:25:50 (#676 of 1856)

Weeks after the 2020 presidential election, former Attorney General Bill Barr’s Department of Justice pursued a secret grand jury subpoena seeking to unmask an anonymous Twitter account that parodied Donald Trump-loyalist Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), according to a bombshell motion unsealed on Monday.

Atticus - 17 May 2021 22:33:17 (#677 of 1856)

Wish them happy Winterval and watch the thermo-nuclear detonation.

Atticus - 17 May 2021 22:34:12 (#678 of 1856)


Before I's going to be the Cow isn't it?

TheBigSmurf - 17 May 2021 22:38:08 (#679 of 1856)

Andrew Clyde, the Republican Congressman who last week compared the January 6 rioters to tourists was photographed helping to barricade the doors against them. That photograph has now gone on social media. More about the story here.

PaperRustler - 17 May 2021 22:41:04 (#680 of 1856)

Apparently half the House (Republicans included) had never heard of that guy before his ridiculous comparison last week.

Pixiedust - 17 May 2021 22:46:42 (#681 of 1856)

Before I's going to be the Cow isn't it?

It is NOT the cow!

This time.

Atticus - 17 May 2021 22:49:45 (#682 of 1856)

Sad face of Kay Burley's dog.

moto748 - 17 May 2021 22:54:28 (#683 of 1856)

Now I have an ear worm of DJTJr singing this to the tune of September Girls


Pixiedust - 17 May 2021 23:14:25 (#684 of 1856)

The insurrection-supporting letter from retired military was pranked:

Garden - 17 May 2021 23:21:56 (#685 of 1856)

It's Devin Nunes' alternative mom.

Garden - 17 May 2021 23:25:20 (#686 of 1856)

So Republican legislatures are also increasing the penalties for poll worker malfeasance. The last two paragraphs of the article sum it up.

As election officials and workers confront a future fraught with new legal exposure and doubts about their ability to oversee safe and secure voting, many continue to suspect the Republican motivation behind the bills, and the necessity for the measures.

“My question as an election worker is, you know: Why?” Ms. Longoria said. “What is the problem that happened in Texas that would have led to that kind of response? And I can’t get an answer to that.”

Atticus - 17 May 2021 23:30:05 (#687 of 1856)


Communist subversion, communist infiltration and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.

ZimAgain - 17 May 2021 23:33:19 (#688 of 1856)

#686 - "What is the problem that happened in Texas...?"

Same as everywhere else. Some people voted Democrat. Some people don't care, some people want it stopped.

Garden - 17 May 2021 23:38:45 (#689 of 1856)

True. There were more votes for Biden in Texas than there were in New York.

There are more people in Texas these days.

That must have scared those Texas Republicans.

Pixiedust - 18 May 2021 00:05:43 (#690 of 1856)

In Exclusive Jailhouse Letter, Capitol Riot Defendant Explains Motives, Remains Boastful

In a letter sent from behind bars, a key defendant in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol said he and fellow inmates have bonded in jail, and boasted that those attacking the building could have overthrown the government if they had wanted.

The letter is signed “the 1/6ers” and expresses no remorse for the assault on the Capitol, in which five people died. While no names appeared on it, ProPublica was able to determine, through interviews with his family and a review of his correspondence from jail, that it was penned by Guy Reffitt, a member of the Three Percenter right-wing militant group accused of participating in the riot. The letter said the inmates arrested for their role in the attack regularly recite the Pledge of Allegiance inside the Washington, D.C. jail and sing the national anthem “all in unison, loud and proud most everyday.”

I believe that faint thudding sound we can hear is defence lawyers head-desking.

misosoup100 - 18 May 2021 03:24:29 (#691 of 1856)

I will never get tired of January 6 insurrectionists outing themselves by bragging on social media:

misosoup100 - 18 May 2021 03:27:59 (#692 of 1856)

Vaccination rate vs Trump vote %.

popstar7 - 18 May 2021 03:30:13 (#693 of 1856)

I will never get tired of January 6 insurrectionists outing themselves by bragging on social media:

That’s understandable, but the actual news today is that 39 million American families are going to be getting $300/month per child starting in July.

That’s the actual news.

SinnerBoy - 18 May 2021 05:27:28 (#694 of 1856)

misosoup100 #691

I will never get tired of January 6 insurrectionists outing themselves....

"by their plandid...? What's one of them?

PaperRustler - 18 May 2021 08:37:32 (#695 of 1856)

Google is your friend. It's a portmanteau of 'planned' and 'candid', meaning a photo that looks like a spontaneous snap but is staged.

davedanon - 18 May 2021 08:58:08 (#696 of 1856)

By that token, 80% of 'press photography' is plandid. Press snappers have been staging pics since time immemorial.

I don't agree with the practice, just to be clear.

slimpickins - 18 May 2021 09:29:16 (#697 of 1856)

What horrible word.

Thread about Rudy's legal submission about the searches of his property and devices etc:

Its been mentioned before but its interesting that the covert search of his iCloud occurred under Barr.

In Gaetz news, Greenberg's plea agreement is 87 pages long, 60 of which are evidence of crimes committed by others.

To get around the unreliable witness accusation if he lies in court he'll be charged with the things they've let lie in return for his plea.

Crayola - 18 May 2021 09:35:41 (#698 of 1856)

I thought I read somewhere that none of them mention Gaetz by name? But surely without naming the offenders, his turning would be pointless?

slimpickins - 18 May 2021 09:46:19 (#699 of 1856)

They don't normally name the co-conspirators in docs like this. His lawyer promised 'must see TV' when asked if the agreement impacts Gaetz.

Crayola - 18 May 2021 09:48:54 (#700 of 1856)

Aah didn't realise. I was thinking about when junior criminals turn for someone higher up the chain (like low level drug dealers naming who they buy off). Couldn't work out what the plea deal would be if you don't give them someone else.

slimpickins - 18 May 2021 10:05:42 (#701 of 1856)

Accused often make deals to plead for lower charges rather risk longer sentences of course. What I find interesting is Greenberg must be regarded as a less serious criminal and he's apparently guilty of very serious crimes, which makes me wonder what they think Gaetz has done.

Crayola - 18 May 2021 10:08:45 (#702 of 1856)

As someone was saying on Daily Beans yesterday (a lawyer who had actually plead down murderers). Juries are often harder on people with sex crimes against minors than they are on killers. For him to get a deal that includes trafficking a minor for sex (and then presumably statutory rape) he must be giving the courts a lot .

Atticus - 18 May 2021 13:45:16 (#703 of 1856)

US photographers used to scuff up civil war battle corpses to make the deaths more dramatic for the camera.

Probably stole their loose change too.

dreams99 - 18 May 2021 13:48:01 (#704 of 1856)

Scathing reply from Maricopa county Board of Supervisors to the Arizona Senate that's conducting an election recount:

Dayraven - 18 May 2021 13:48:29 (#705 of 1856)

Probably stole their loose change too.

"These Confederate dollars will come in handy for my retirement fund!"

brooklyn - 18 May 2021 16:00:51 (#706 of 1856)

"Scathing reply" -- that doesn't even begin to describe it. alas, no one who believes the Big Lie will pay attention.

JohnIlly - 18 May 2021 16:09:40 (#707 of 1856)

The Senate should consider itself well scathed. You could hear the tone of voice as you read it.

PaperRustler - 18 May 2021 16:18:38 (#708 of 1856)

It's a stonker of a letter, all right.

davedanon - 18 May 2021 16:27:28 (#709 of 1856)

Now that's what I call a comprehensive putdown.

Crayola - 18 May 2021 16:51:35 (#710 of 1856)

This is a sexy line

feeding the various festering conspiracy theories that fuel the fundraising schemes of those pulling your strings.

Tadagee - 18 May 2021 16:56:23 (#711 of 1856)

Oh dear, seems Donnie's pulling power is waning

His blog had about 212,0000 engagements during its first week online, notably fewer than some of his most popular tweets.

A lot of those would would be the likes of me seeing what the tangerine toddler was WAAAHing about now.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 18 May 2021 16:57:36 (#712 of 1856)

For the vast majority of trumptards it will TL:DR. The people at whom it is addressed will be offended and try to exact retribution for the public humiliation they have caused themselves to suffer.

It's a great letter, but it won't do a damned thing to change what is happening. I full expect the cyber arseholes to fake up charges which will be used by a compliant bunch of GOP morons to erode election integrity in Arizona.

Crayola - 18 May 2021 17:02:15 (#713 of 1856)

I just read all of it. It's fantastic. Not least because it takes things that could have been written in legalese and makes them plain English for idiots (also helping people like me who aren't lawyers).

PaperRustler - 18 May 2021 17:08:42 (#714 of 1856)

Jeez. Just had a quick check on Donnie's drivel over the last few days. ELECTION STOLEN blah blah blah. He is *still* on Mike Pence's case about Pence's 'lack of courage' in not rejecting the EC votes.

You'd think the sycophants would register that even the biggest toadie of them all is now under the bus, along with all the others who dared disappoint Donnie one out of a thousand times.

Crayola - 18 May 2021 17:10:11 (#715 of 1856)

How has no one hacked it and smeared cyber shit on it yet?

misosoup100 - 18 May 2021 17:26:15 (#716 of 1856)

Pence being thrown under the bus is almost as good as Rudy being thrown under the bus.

thePiMan - 18 May 2021 19:19:20 (#717 of 1856)

How has no one hacked it and smeared cyber shit on it yet?

it's unnecessary

popstar7 - 18 May 2021 19:36:22 (#718 of 1856)

Do you have Attorney of the Year awards over there, brook? I think this guy should be in the running for something -

I spoke to the "QAnon Shaman" Jacob Chansley's attorney, Albert Watkins, for this story. Here's what he had to say...

PaperRustler - 18 May 2021 20:10:50 (#719 of 1856)

He definitely should - what a defence (defense):

They were subjected to four-plus years of goddamn propaganda the likes of which the world has not seen since fucking Hitler.

popstar7 - 18 May 2021 20:14:41 (#720 of 1856)

Quite the turn of phrase he has there.

Garden - 18 May 2021 21:25:34 (#721 of 1856)

Another Giuliani enters politics.

The field of Republicans vying to challenge Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo in next year’s race for governor grew on Tuesday as Andrew Giuliani, the son of the former New York City mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, formally unveiled his candidacy.

Pixiedust - 18 May 2021 21:46:26 (#722 of 1856)

Q-Shaman's attorney also represents the Missouri couple – who are themselves attorneys – who pulled guns on BLM protesters.

Garden - 18 May 2021 21:57:33 (#723 of 1856)

Has he labelled them autism spectrum, short-bus people?

TRaney - 18 May 2021 21:58:07 (#724 of 1856)

what is a short-bus person?

Pixiedust - 18 May 2021 22:00:13 (#725 of 1856)

Pejorative term for the SEN kids would typically ride a different bus to school and have separate lessons.

See also: window-lickers.

solomongursky - 18 May 2021 22:00:39 (#726 of 1856)

A short bus is U.S. slang for a smaller school bus usually used for transporting disabled students

Tadagee - 18 May 2021 22:37:40 (#727 of 1856)

This might be a bit pearl clutchy, but frankly it's a bit shit to draw a comparison between the very worst of the MAGA fuckwitted insurrectionist twats and people with disabilities.

Pixiedust - 18 May 2021 22:44:20 (#728 of 1856)

It is, and loads of people in the comments of that tweet (and others that quoted the attorney) have said so.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 18 May 2021 22:50:45 (#729 of 1856)

Yes, it is. Which puts us in the uncomfortable position of having to disapprove of the lawyer, or else be open to a charge from the fuckwitted right of being insensitive, or some shit like that.

JohnIlly - 18 May 2021 22:58:33 (#730 of 1856)

I see the shaman talks about his coworkers. Surely he's the cow-orker with those horns.

dreams99 - 19 May 2021 07:40:09 (#731 of 1856)

BBC News - New York prosecutor says Trump inquiry now 'criminal'

Verdigris - 19 May 2021 07:42:59 (#732 of 1856)


Pixiedust - 19 May 2021 08:21:14 (#733 of 1856)

Meh. I won't celebrate until we get a perp walk or court appearance.

Apparently under Florida law, de Santis could try to halt any extradition proceedings, so the SDNY will have to wait until Spanky is in a jurisdiction more amenable to handing him over.

dreams99 - 19 May 2021 08:36:57 (#734 of 1856)

A state can block a federal indictment? Fucked up country.

dreams99 - 19 May 2021 08:44:13 (#735 of 1856)

Andrew Giuliani looks a lot like Eric trump, and is just as dumb:

dreams99 - 19 May 2021 08:46:27 (#736 of 1856)

Being a dick at his dad's inauguration as mayor in 1994:

cozzer - 19 May 2021 09:00:26 (#737 of 1856)

A spokesman for the company that booked Nigel Farage on a speaking tour for the US reports they have "miscalculated his popularity" after only 21 people turn up to the Pittsburgh Airport Marriott on Monday evening despite tickets being free.

Small update - 14 people actually attended. The other 6 were part of the Farage group.

In unrelated news 2981 people registered for the event but I assume they must have had some trouble getting there.

dreams99 - 19 May 2021 09:12:53 (#738 of 1856)

You'll be shocked, I know, but apparently people who took part in an insurrection are being abused by being imprisoned:

dreams99 - 19 May 2021 09:32:48 (#739 of 1856)

Jonathan Swan reporting that Trump tried to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, Iraq, Germany and africa between losing the election and jan 20th:

Tadagee - 19 May 2021 09:47:17 (#740 of 1856)

Andrew Giuliani looks a lot like Eric trump, and is just as dumb:

What is it with these people? They all look like they come from some sort of mash up between The Hills have Eyes and Suits.

Crayola - 19 May 2021 09:50:49 (#741 of 1856)

I've been enjoying two different podcasts talking about Greenberg this morning. On Topic with Renato Mariotti and #sistersinlaw

My god he is proper criminally nuts! I knew about the trafficking and pimping, but he has broken a bonkers amount of laws. He made fake IDs for himself with his own picture and fake names. He did this on equipment he bought through his work account. He skimmed money. He stalked someone and falsely accused them of sex with a minor.

He doesn't appear to have done anything legal in his whole time in office. It's frankly amazing.

Pixiedust - 19 May 2021 11:35:53 (#742 of 1856)

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) votes against her party most often, at a rate of 16.3%, compared to all other freshman members in the House and Senate, data collected by Quorum reveals.

slimpickins - 19 May 2021 12:57:11 (#743 of 1856)

Thanks for the podcast tip Crayola, Greenberg really is the git that keeps on giving.

I think I've got this right, at one point he decided to mine bitcoins so he set up a server in his office using state funds. And set the office on fire.

Dayraven - 19 May 2021 12:59:05 (#744 of 1856)

And set the office on fire.

Thus reducing the environmental damage done by his mining.

Crayola - 19 May 2021 13:02:24 (#745 of 1856)

If there was a crime, he’s committed it. It’s amazing how he’s crammed so much crime in.

dreams99 - 19 May 2021 13:02:57 (#746 of 1856)

Dedication, that's what you need.

TRaney - 19 May 2021 13:04:30 (#747 of 1856)

Which goals would that facilitate?

slimpickins - 19 May 2021 13:29:05 (#748 of 1856)

Do you think Trump's attitude to the law encouraged others to think they were above the law, there does to be something gleeful about their behaviour or has Trump's brazenness shone a light on things that would have stayed in the dark in the past?

PaperRustler - 19 May 2021 14:01:02 (#749 of 1856)

A bit of both, but more of the former. He attracts grifters like magnets attract iron filings.

Tinymcsmithy - 19 May 2021 14:50:30 (#750 of 1856)

His blog had about 212,0000 engagements during its first week online, notably fewer than some of his most popular tweets.

How is that calculated? Isn’t it a private website with its own platform? Where are these ‘engagements’ being reported from and what constitutes an ‘engagement’?

PaperRustler - 19 May 2021 14:55:20 (#751 of 1856)

'Views', probably, since you can't actually engage with him.

Dayraven - 19 May 2021 14:57:14 (#752 of 1856)

There are sites which do rankings based on sampling users and scripts installed by sites, notably Alexa Internet[*].

Or the blog's sense of design could be so up-to-date it's got a page hit counter displayed prominently on it, I haven't seen it.

[*] An Amazon product but no relation to their other Alexa.

PaperRustler - 19 May 2021 14:57:59 (#753 of 1856)

(Unsurprisingly, he's now ranting about how a January 6th commission is not necessary, how Antifa and BLM should be investigated, and how this is all a big Democrat TRAP into which Republicans should not fall. Perish the thought that anyone takes a good look at his role in the insurrection.)

brooklyn - 19 May 2021 14:58:31 (#754 of 1856)

<<A state can block a federal indictment?>>

no, if the paperwork is done properly a state must extradite. that's true whether the indictment is federal or, as this one would be, a state indictment. the federal courts must enforce a proper extradition request over a state's objection.

if DeSantis promises to block an extradition, and actually thinks he can do more than delay it pending enforcement, he's blowing smoke.

Tinymcsmithy - 19 May 2021 15:02:34 (#755 of 1856)

There are sites which do rankings based on sampling users and scripts installed by sites, notably Alexa Internet[*].

Oh sure. But they are as accurate as... a not very accurate thing. Alexa is notoriously bollocks in my experience.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 19 May 2021 15:05:03 (#756 of 1856)

he's blowing smoke.

He's a cretin, so maybe he thinks he can do whatever he likes, like his fearless leader.

slimpickins - 19 May 2021 16:28:10 (#757 of 1856)

I'd love it if Trump went to Moscow just in case.

PaperRustler - 19 May 2021 16:58:30 (#758 of 1856)

McConnell must have read Donnie's blog - he's now come out against a Jan 6 commission. These people.

Crayola - 19 May 2021 17:01:42 (#759 of 1856)

I wish everyone would stop referring to it as his blog. It's not a blog. It just happens to be written in first person and use a blogging style. If it were a blog, people would be able to respond. You know, like in a blog.

thePiMan - 19 May 2021 17:02:42 (#760 of 1856)

it's still a blog. it's not a requirement to enable comments on a blog.

thePiMan - 19 May 2021 17:02:59 (#761 of 1856)

it's literally a contraction of Web Log which is what it is.

Tinymcsmithy - 19 May 2021 17:04:01 (#762 of 1856)

I wish pundits and presenters would ignore it. Kimmel seems to quote it as much as his old Twitter feed.

PaperRustler - 19 May 2021 17:15:42 (#763 of 1856)

Move along, nothing to see here:

Republicans held 33 hearings on Benghazi over two years but say it’s time to move on from Capitol attack after 4 months

Crayola - 19 May 2021 18:28:04 (#764 of 1856)

I know what a blog is, what with being a digital service designer and I have built an awful lot of them. And yes, that is the literal meaning but simply writing a first person narrative every couple of days doesn't really cut it as a 'blog' any more. We've moved on and a blog has various expectations. One of these is a response function.

Garden - 19 May 2021 19:39:12 (#765 of 1856)

Andrea Bernstein on the criminal cases being drawn up against Trump:

Doesn't sound like much will happen before the end of the year thought.

I don't think DeSantis can block Trump's extradition to New York. Brook would know better, but one state can't - and would be ill-advised to - block the criminal justice system in another state.

Pixiedust - 19 May 2021 19:44:58 (#766 of 1856)

De Santis can't block, but he can stall, as Florida law gives him the authority to investigate whether Spanky "ought to be surrendered" to authorities.

From podcasts over the last week, the consensus seems to be that rather than get into a pissing matching with Florida, SDNY will simply wait until he's in another state.

returnofthepowermonkey - 19 May 2021 19:46:34 (#767 of 1856)

I'm sure he'd explore every avenue to that. It woudl be absolutely perfect for him - all his rivals still genuflecting to Trump while he'd have him in his power.

slimpickins - 19 May 2021 19:49:11 (#768 of 1856)

Aside from managing to escape to Moscow, I love the idea of him being broke and at Putins beck and call, is he tries to escape only to have the plane turned round by presidential order.

Tadagee - 19 May 2021 19:52:41 (#769 of 1856)

His latest brain splat is an endless epic unfocused gibber rant even by his standards.

BuddhaPest - 19 May 2021 19:53:07 (#770 of 1856)

He'll end up with an Alex Jones style ranting show on Russia Today.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 19 May 2021 19:53:52 (#771 of 1856)

trump just made it easier for SDNY. He's decamped to New Jersey for the summer.


Garden - 19 May 2021 19:53:53 (#772 of 1856)

If he goes to visit his properties in Scotland, will Scotland extradite him to New York?

I don't think he faces the death penalty.

annetjie - 19 May 2021 19:55:05 (#773 of 1856)

We'd give him refugee status.

brooklyn - 19 May 2021 20:00:37 (#774 of 1856)

pix, I gave my view on extradition in post #754. it's consistent with what you and Garden say.

one note, though. you keep mentioning "SDNY." those are the feds. it's a NY State show at the moment.

brooklyn - 19 May 2021 20:02:04 (#775 of 1856)

<<If he goes to visit his properties in Scotland, will Scotland extradite him to New York?>>

international extradition is far more discretionary -- see all the assange stuff. but -- sure. who wouldn't want to see him behind bars?

Pixiedust - 19 May 2021 20:05:34 (#776 of 1856)

one note, though. you keep mentioning "SDNY." those are the feds. it's a NY State show at the moment.

Eek! My bad.

PaperRustler - 19 May 2021 20:06:30 (#777 of 1856)

He is loathed in Scotland, so they'd probably send him back in the hold of a military plane stopping in Dublin and Anchorage.

davedanon - 19 May 2021 20:11:47 (#778 of 1856)

I hope you mean Dublin, Ohio.

davedanon - 19 May 2021 20:13:17 (#779 of 1856)

Although the good and loyal burghers of Donniebeg would probably welcome their orange Overlord with open arms.

brooklyn - 19 May 2021 20:15:37 (#780 of 1856)

Anchorage is a little too warm. they have a prison in Nome, and one in Bethel, that would better suit a wait for final transport to Rikers Island.

Garden - 19 May 2021 20:17:57 (#781 of 1856)

Good god, can you imagine Trump at Rikers?

Would Ivanka and Jared visit him there?

Pixiedust - 19 May 2021 20:18:49 (#782 of 1856)

Pity the Secret Service agents who'd have to accompany him!

davedanon - 19 May 2021 20:20:49 (#783 of 1856)

At least his face won't look as orange by comparison with his jumpsuit.

Garden - 19 May 2021 20:25:00 (#784 of 1856)

Surely being charged with multiple felonies would end his Secret Service protection.

LaLady - 19 May 2021 20:25:01 (#785 of 1856)

Would Ivanka and Jared visit him there?

They might see each other at mess.

moto748 - 19 May 2021 20:26:59 (#786 of 1856)

I think it is the view of most posters here is that the chances of Trump actually spending time behind is next to zero.

But if the graph is turning upwards just a little...

Pixiedust - 19 May 2021 20:31:47 (#787 of 1856)

I'd be happy to see him bankrupt and broken, forced to sell everything he has to pay off his lawyers.

LaLady - 19 May 2021 20:38:04 (#788 of 1856)

He will never see the inside of a prison cell, but I agree with Pixie. Being broke and broken would be hell for him.

slimpickins - 19 May 2021 20:38:09 (#789 of 1856)

In my fantasy he escapes to Moscow with big plans but then the US freezes all his assets, so he's stuck there broke.

moto748 - 19 May 2021 20:38:49 (#790 of 1856)

I can imagine the Poliakoff screenplay.

moto748 - 19 May 2021 20:39:34 (#791 of 1856)

Actually it'd probably be David Bloody Hare.

LaLady - 19 May 2021 20:40:01 (#792 of 1856)

I'd be happier never to hear his voice, his name nor see his face ever again. Aside from that I don't care what happens to him as long as it's not good.

PaperRustler - 19 May 2021 21:09:18 (#793 of 1856)

Boy, as Tada said, the latest rant is a real joy. He refers to himself as 'President Donald J. Trump' throughout, we have several trademark Donnie memes, and this is near the beginning:

the Democrat New York Attorney General has “informed” my organization that their “investigation” is no longer just a civil matter but also potentially a “criminal” investigation working with the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office

Donnie sounds a bit "scared" to me.

slimpickins - 19 May 2021 21:13:39 (#794 of 1856)

'informed my organisation' sounds weird.

Garden - 19 May 2021 21:16:37 (#795 of 1856)

I would just like to point out that the federal government probably made money off the Mueller investigation, given that they were able to auction off tens of millions of dollars worth of Paul Manafort's real estate.

misosoup100 - 19 May 2021 21:45:00 (#796 of 1856)

Texas just banned all abortions after 6 weeks, and allows any citizen to sue the woman or any health worker involved for damages of up to $10,000 (i.e. an avenue to harassment).

I assume it will be overturned. But it shows how cruel these people are.

thePiMan - 19 May 2021 22:06:00 (#797 of 1856)

Surely being charged with multiple felonies would end his Secret Service protection.

no, that would have only been possible with conviction on impeachment.

Garden - 19 May 2021 22:07:39 (#798 of 1856)

That's right.

Too bad they couldn't convict him with a simple majority.

dreams99 - 19 May 2021 22:46:35 (#799 of 1856)

Andrew giuliani inflates his role in the white House (he was in charge of getting sports teams to come and visit, which was easy as they kept saying no) then says he may be only 35 but he's spent 32 years in politics:

Pixiedust - 19 May 2021 23:37:19 (#800 of 1856)

My mum took me into the office when I was a baby. Can I be the regional manager for a large company now?

thePiMan - 19 May 2021 23:50:11 (#801 of 1856)

35 Republicans have voted in favour of the commission to investigate the insurrection.

thePiMan - 19 May 2021 23:51:23 (#802 of 1856)

175 opposed. disgrace.

thePiMan - 19 May 2021 23:52:45 (#803 of 1856)

was always expected to pass the house but requires 60 votes in the senate which is currently 50/50 split.

it is a surprising amount this 35 though as there's been an awful lot of pressure from McCarthy to vote against it.

Ebadlun - 19 May 2021 23:55:36 (#804 of 1856)

TBF they haven't finished Benghazi. One thing at a time.

Atticus - 19 May 2021 23:57:02 (#805 of 1856)

Please tell me that's a joke.

Ebadlun - 20 May 2021 00:01:34 (#806 of 1856)

No, I am well known here for my admiration of the modern US Republican Party. They are the best.

Atticus - 20 May 2021 00:12:15 (#807 of 1856)

No. I meant it as asking if the Republicans were still pursuing Benghazi.

TheBigSmurf - 20 May 2021 00:14:23 (#808 of 1856)

Glenn Kirschner on the joining of the New York and Manhattan cases against the Trump organisation. He speculates that Howard Weisselberg may have decided to cooperate.

Ebadlun - 20 May 2021 00:15:36 (#809 of 1856)

Ah, sorry for excess sarcasm.

ZimAgain - 20 May 2021 00:38:45 (#810 of 1856)

According to, seven Republican senators are allegedly OK with the commission.

If that's true, then the uphill task is to find another three with the backbone and integrity, or fear of backlash, to also vote in favour.

not optimistic

Atticus - 20 May 2021 00:41:37 (#811 of 1856)


No worries.

TheSwearingBear - 20 May 2021 00:51:57 (#812 of 1856)

I obviously don't understand American politics much. Here if a leader lost everything and in doing so they humiliated the party, but still wanted have another go at it, at this stage of the proceedings the knives wouldn't just be at the ready, there'd be multiple already buried deep between his shoulder blades. Maybe here they just play harder.

Garden - 20 May 2021 01:05:36 (#813 of 1856)

This is all going on because these guys are scared of being primaried - when they run to hold onto their seats, they may have a competitor from the right, and they rely on the base, a small number of voters who bother to show up for the primaries to succeed in holding onto their seats.

These bizarre extremist things seem to have their roots in how extreme and bizarre the GQP base has become.

Ebadlun - 20 May 2021 01:07:26 (#814 of 1856)

It's like what everyone thinks the Labour left is like, but actually isn't.

TheSwearingBear - 20 May 2021 01:26:23 (#815 of 1856)

But surely there must be at least one republican ambitious enough to stand up and have a go and call Trump out for what he is, to point out that we don't follow losers, and to point out that even his most loyal insurrectionist followers were thrown under a bus by him. The 'base' is going to have to accept it pretty soon, so whoever leads now will be in the front row of leadership contenders.

Ebadlun - 20 May 2021 01:28:14 (#816 of 1856)

You would think

"We'll go there with you"

followed by

doesn't go there with them, sods off to watch TV

would be seen as a pretty explicit betrayal

Atticus - 20 May 2021 01:36:15 (#817 of 1856)


I had the pleasure of witnessing Nick Clegg's political funeral at a Lib Dem conference.

The "fuck off and don't come back" bit was subtle but clear.

misosoup100 - 20 May 2021 02:24:11 (#818 of 1856)

Trump tapped into something real and very dark.

He's probably finished but the movement will probably continue without him.

PaperRustler - 20 May 2021 06:10:45 (#819 of 1856)

Re. being primaried and potentially not re-elected, ex-Senator Claire McCaskill (who should know) put into words what I keep thinking - 'Guys, there are other jobs.'

But alas miso is exactly right. Won't be easy to stop this train now.

TheSwearingBear - 20 May 2021 07:25:20 (#820 of 1856)

Well that train had better get used to being second into the station. After being belted by eight million votes with the biggest voter turnout in history I don't think that train's pulling up anytime soon either.

PaperRustler - 20 May 2021 08:12:53 (#821 of 1856)

I wish I shared your optimism. Voter suppression bills have been introduced in 47 states, and have already passed in several:

Tinymcsmithy - 20 May 2021 08:31:18 (#822 of 1856)

Trump’s reign was like he harnessed every corner of the US that had an irrational belief/grievance and used it as a base.

I was reading recently that Biden and Obama had some tensions around not enough policies that addressed the economic issues that Trump exploited.

If the Democrats can at least siphon off the non-crazy one-off/protest Trump voters with stuff aimed at their pockets, that might go a long way.

But if the local GOP districts simply refuse to certify a Democrat in 2024, it’ll get interesting.

Tinymcsmithy - 20 May 2021 08:32:08 (#823 of 1856)

Well, it’ll be a civil war potentially.

TheSwearingBear - 20 May 2021 08:50:54 (#824 of 1856)

You'd hope there are a load of rusted on mom and pop republicans that are embarrassed about the state of the party now and who are loath to revisit the chaos of the last four years. There must be. I'm not saying they'll vote democrat, that's sacrilegious, but they might stay at home.

Crayola - 20 May 2021 08:59:00 (#825 of 1856)

It's the republicans being the cult of the personality (IMO). They are afraid of being primaried because they don't have a 'face' and no one really knows what the GOP stand for/think. Perhaps because of the federalist style of governing? It means that idiots like Cruz think they are the successor (I bet a huge amount of Trump voters outside of Texas have no idea who he is) when the reality is it's much more likely someone like Fucker Carlsson would be a winning candidate.

cozzer - 20 May 2021 09:14:57 (#826 of 1856)

Here if a leader lost everything and in doing so they humiliated the party, but still wanted have another go at it, at this stage of the proceedings the knives wouldn't just be at the ready,

- the knives wouldn't just be at the ready,

+ people would be clamouring for Corbyn to have a third go

TheSwearingBear - 20 May 2021 11:49:38 (#827 of 1856)

I wouldn't know about that. No clue.

misosoup100 - 20 May 2021 12:12:33 (#828 of 1856)

Andrew Giuliani says he has spent five decades in government even though he's 35 years old.

Tadagee - 20 May 2021 12:22:44 (#829 of 1856)

This is good righteously losing your shit stuff...

thePiMan - 20 May 2021 12:26:01 (#830 of 1856)

broken link, the 9 on the end doesn't form part of the link

thePiMan - 20 May 2021 12:26:29 (#831 of 1856)

try that instead

JohnIlly - 20 May 2021 12:28:07 (#832 of 1856)

Do the American parties actually have formally elected (or selected) leaders?

enidcoleslaw - 20 May 2021 12:33:35 (#833 of 1856)

#831 - heard him on Maddow - thanks for the video link, very impressive. Two parties living in reality, and you ain't one of 'em!

brooklyn - 20 May 2021 12:41:22 (#834 of 1856)

<<Do the American parties actually have formally elected (or selected) leaders?>>

nope. a sitting president is a de facto leader of his party. otherwise, members of a party in the house, and in the senate, choose their house's leaders.

the parties have national committees, but no one thinks that the officers of those committees are in charge.

TheSwearingBear - 20 May 2021 12:53:42 (#835 of 1856)

Which, from afar, looks like there's just a chaotic free for all until a few months before an election, then all the contenders just tear strips off each other and very little policy is discussed.

Again, from afar, it seems an odd system.

Tinymcsmithy - 20 May 2021 13:09:55 (#836 of 1856)

Coz of States and Federal system.

Samsonite - 20 May 2021 13:10:18 (#837 of 1856)

the closer you get, the samer it looks

Samsonite - 20 May 2021 13:13:53 (#838 of 1856)

"Coz of States and Federal system."

Oz has that, without the chaos that bear alludes to.

TheSwearingBear - 20 May 2021 13:16:33 (#839 of 1856)


PaperRustler - 20 May 2021 14:00:59 (#840 of 1856)

This party leader thing is a topic we've covered many times.

TheSwearingBear - 20 May 2021 14:04:16 (#841 of 1856)

Yeah. Still weird.

Samsonite - 20 May 2021 14:11:34 (#842 of 1856)

possibly one of the less weird aspects of US governance though.

Tadagee - 20 May 2021 14:55:48 (#843 of 1856)

What's this lastest desk offering about?

A loan of $1.2 billion has closed on the asset known as the Bank of America Building (555 California Street) in San Francisco, CA. The interest rate is approximately 2%. Thank you!

Assume it's some sort of grift.

popstar7 - 20 May 2021 14:58:55 (#844 of 1856)

The US is, afaik, the oldest democratic republic in the world. Their weird system has served them pretty well give or take a civil war.

TheSwearingBear - 20 May 2021 15:01:02 (#845 of 1856)

And a reality TV conman.

moto748 - 20 May 2021 15:09:52 (#846 of 1856)

Andrew Giuliani says he has spent five decades in government even though he's 35 years old.

Maybe US decades are like their gallons; smaller than the proper British ones?

brooklyn - 20 May 2021 15:27:49 (#847 of 1856)

maybe giuliani brains are smaller than proper british and american ones.

dreams99 - 20 May 2021 15:30:49 (#848 of 1856)

Andrew Giuliani says he has spent five decades in government even though he's 35 years old.

he said he'd spend parts of 5 decades in politics, as if that matters, and as if he was 'in politics' when he was 3 years old.

dreams99 - 20 May 2021 15:32:06 (#849 of 1856)

What's this lastest desk offering about

Sounds like he's successfully refinanced a major asset at a low interest rate, heading off rumours about cash calls and his inability to roll over his debt.

PaperRustler - 20 May 2021 15:32:22 (#850 of 1856)

I watched a bit of that video of him at Giuliani's inauguration. What an obnoxious little shit.

brooklyn - 20 May 2021 15:45:14 (#851 of 1856)

<<Their weird system has served them pretty well....>>

the founders were in a funny position. they had no history to discard or follow. they had ideas, like human rights and democracy, that they were free to sit back and consider. without old baggage, they could ponder what a proper democratic federal government should look like and proceed "from scratch." they read the Enlightenment philosophers and were impressed -- especially by Locke and, for our purpose, Montesquieu.

like Montesquieu, they were very concerned that too strong an executive could overwhelm the legislature. they needed a second house in Congress because someone had to keep the federal government from overwhelming the less populous states, and the "mob" from getting carried away. they gave almost no thought to the judiciary. and of course there was slavery to deal with.

these and other factors added up to circumstances unique to the US. that explains, perhaps, why our "weird" system didn't really catch on elsewhere. for example, Bolivar and his friends thought about the US model as new states emerged in South America -- but preferred the British system. still, it is somewhat of a tribute to the brains of the US founders that their patchwork of compromises and expediencies has lasted over here.

JohnIlly - 20 May 2021 16:03:27 (#852 of 1856)

Nobody ever envisaged a character like Trump getting at the levers of power.

brooklyn - 20 May 2021 16:09:40 (#853 of 1856)

to the extent they imagined anything like that -- they tried to ensure that such a fellow could not succeed in taking over. but there is only so much you can do, even with the division of powers. the trumpers aim is of course to take over all three branches of government.

dreams99 - 20 May 2021 16:09:52 (#854 of 1856)

Nobody ever envisaged a character like Trump getting at the levers of power.

I think they did, that's why various checks and balances were built in. What they didn't envisage was the whole of the majority party going along with someone like that. Any system can be broken, and if the majority is endorsing criminal and incompetent behaviour for their own nefarious reasons, and the executive can subvert oversight and investigation, and load up the judiciary, then there's nothing that can be done.

AlanII - 20 May 2021 16:27:13 (#855 of 1856)

Yes, exactly.

JohnIlly - 20 May 2021 16:33:36 (#856 of 1856)

In their day rabble-rousers used to have to make some physical effort to rouse the rabble: get out there, tour the country on horseback, make speeches etc.

Now they can sit on their fat arses and tweet.

popstar7 - 20 May 2021 17:17:12 (#857 of 1856)

Ridiculous person, Geraldo Rivera, and other ridiculous person, Dan Bongino, going at it on Fox News -

Geraldo: Stop attacking me punk! I’m sick of you

Bongino. You’re a punk! You’re an out of control lunatic

Geraldo: I’m an out of control lunatic? I’m a ten time Emmy winner...

Pixiedust - 20 May 2021 20:01:21 (#858 of 1856)

Can they both lose?

I'd like both of them to lose.

Garden - 20 May 2021 20:10:24 (#859 of 1856)

Does anyone know what they were arguing about? I listened to the clip and couldn't figure that out.

Tadagee - 20 May 2021 20:42:23 (#860 of 1856)

See, 35 wayward Republicans—they just can’t help themselves. We have much better policy and are much better for the Country, but the Democrats stick together, the Republicans don’t. They don’t have the Romney’s, Little Ben Sasse’s, and Cheney’s of the world. Unfortunately, we do. Sometimes there are consequences to being ineffective and weak. The voters understand!

Of all the horrors of Trump, his use of the possessive apostrophe ranks among the worst.

PaperRustler - 20 May 2021 20:45:39 (#861 of 1856)

#859 - the Middle East. Bongo is taking the usual R line of unconditional support of Israel, whereas Geraldo (who in fairness probably knows marginally more about the situation) isn't having that.

Garden - 20 May 2021 21:11:15 (#862 of 1856)

Thanks, PR. That's interesting - there are rifts all over the place. I remember the days when Geraldo tried to run his own newspaper at the Jersey Shore. I never looked at it though.

Garden - 20 May 2021 21:12:22 (#863 of 1856)

Remember the brave couple who defended their home against the peaceful protestors in St. Louis? Husband is running for the Senate.

Philip Bump celebrates the rise of the zero issue candidate:

The ad and his campaign website check various boxes that you’d expect. McCloskey is pro-Second Amendment, he notes, unnecessarily. He insists that he is against “critical race theory,” which at the moment is generally a way of saying that you’re in favor of traditional patriotism while also winking. He’ll only support conservative judges he assures visitors, which is not only unnecessary given the context but also gets to the heart of things: McCloskey is running for Senate to be a Republican vote on stuff and not much else.

There are a lot of people who are running for office these days who seem to be hoping to parlay notoriety into political success or to parlay political success into notoriety. Caitlyn Jenner’s gubernatorial campaign in California isn’t much of a campaign at all; she’s released an ad full of Californiaized rhetoric about the dangers of the left but hasn’t actually done much campaigning. In New York, former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani’s son Andrew has thrown his hat into the ring for governor, combating the perception that his political resume is rather thin by including on that resume his father’s first mayoral campaign in 1989 — when Andrew Giuliani was three. He, too, has released an ad. It, too, is a state-specific overview of what he dislikes.

PaperRustler - 20 May 2021 21:13:19 (#864 of 1856)

Just the worst people.

Garden - 20 May 2021 21:21:22 (#865 of 1856)

Only the worst.

Garden - 20 May 2021 21:22:39 (#866 of 1856)

Speaking of the best people, I give you Louie Gohmert. A priceless clip of a speech.

slimpickins - 20 May 2021 21:40:14 (#867 of 1856)

TBF, that is articulate for him.

Kevin McCarthy cuts press conference short when pressed on Reps contacts with rioters:

“Do you think it’s a conflict of interest for members to be voting on a commission that they might have to be potentially witnesses for, and provide information on?” A reporter asked McCarthy.

“No,” the minority leader replied. “Because who knows what they’re going to do on the commission? I don’t think so.”

The next questioner turned up the heat.

“Are you absolutely certain none of your members were in any communication with any of the people who stormed Capitol Hill?” The reporter asked.

McCarthy didn’t even wait for the end of the question to softly say “I don’t believe that they are.

“But thank you for the question. Everybody have a nice day,” the ranking GOP House member — before abruptly halting the news conference and walking away.

dreams99 - 20 May 2021 21:53:22 (#868 of 1856)

"If a Texan learns that a neighbor had an abortion seven weeks after getting pregnant, he could file suit against the physician who performed the procedure. And the nurse who was in the room. And the friend who drove the neighbor to the clinic."

misosoup100 - 21 May 2021 01:29:43 (#869 of 1856)

Donald Trump told his former White House doctor that he wants to run for a 2nd term in 2024

popstar7 - 21 May 2021 01:49:20 (#870 of 1856)

I don't see who can stop him being the candidate, tbh.

misosoup100 - 21 May 2021 02:04:36 (#871 of 1856)

Professor Alzheimer.

popstar7 - 21 May 2021 02:31:11 (#872 of 1856)

'Biden is cognitively impaired/incapable of completing a debate' was a not uncommonly expressed opinion on this very thread a 12-18 months ago. You think Professor Alzheimer would dissuade Republican primary voters in two year's time?

LaLady - 21 May 2021 02:54:23 (#873 of 1856)

This fucking nightmare is never going to end, is it.

Garden - 21 May 2021 03:14:58 (#874 of 1856)

Berlusconi had a second term, didn't he?

But he wasn't as disorganized as Trump.

The question is, can Democrats field a candidate that's going to get people out to vote? Stacy Abrams can't do it all herself.

virgil5 - 21 May 2021 03:20:30 (#875 of 1856)

Never has the choice between sanity and absolute batshittery been clearer.

I've made my choice. Where the rest of it is going seems like anybody's guess.

Tinymcsmithy - 21 May 2021 03:26:57 (#876 of 1856)

'Biden is cognitively impaired/incapable of completing a debate'

Was also Obama and other top Dems opinion according to recent reports.

popstar7 - 21 May 2021 03:44:35 (#877 of 1856)

How did that work out for them, then?

Garden - 21 May 2021 05:17:30 (#878 of 1856)

What are these "recent reports" for christ's sake?

Fucking "top Dems" and their fucking choices. They're going to give us another Hubert Humphrey in 2024, unelectable no matter who his running mate is.

I love Kamala, but I do hope she doesn't have presidential ambitions. The rightwing slime factory is working overtime on her.

Tinymcsmithy - 21 May 2021 05:51:16 (#879 of 1856)

Recent book and stuff on CNN.

Can’t be arsed looking for it.

How did that work out for them, then?

Dunno, I imagine they’re happy enough, as they hated Bernie.

Also, this was all before the pandemic, which changed the dynamic drastically in Biden’s favour.

Garden - 21 May 2021 05:55:16 (#880 of 1856)

You're still mired in the pre-pandemic world?

You still watch CNN?

Come on, let's get up to date!

The only question we all need to work on is, who do we nominate in 2024?

Tinymcsmithy - 21 May 2021 05:58:22 (#881 of 1856)

AOC. Simples.

Garden - 21 May 2021 06:00:49 (#882 of 1856)

You've learned nothing about American politics the past five years, have you??!!!!

TheSwearingBear - 21 May 2021 06:45:17 (#883 of 1856)

Tim Ryan.

PaperRustler - 21 May 2021 07:07:40 (#884 of 1856)

By rights, it should be the woman who gave Biden the Senate - Stacey Abrams. I just can't warm to her, but maybe that's me.

#874 - Berlusconi and Trump have been compared often, but there are some differences; Berlusconi really is a good businessman and a self-made billionaire, and he speaks beautiful, classical Italian rather than limited-vocabulary word soup. He's way smarter than Donnie (although equally corrupt).

Tinymcsmithy - 21 May 2021 07:08:17 (#885 of 1856)

Garden, you're still mired in the pre-pandemic world.

Moschops - 21 May 2021 07:49:45 (#886 of 1856)

As are most of the US electorate I'd imagine

Tinymcsmithy - 21 May 2021 08:20:40 (#887 of 1856)

It’s good to imagine.

annetjie - 21 May 2021 08:23:47 (#888 of 1856)

Wrt AOC and the conspiracy nutter - can't she get an injunction against her?

slimpickins - 21 May 2021 08:26:23 (#889 of 1856)

It 's not complicated, if they pass voting reform they win in 2022 never mind 2024, if they don't they, and the majority of America, losses.

BasilSeal - 21 May 2021 10:01:32 (#890 of 1856)

yep, i think that's it in a nutshell

Crayola - 21 May 2021 12:00:06 (#891 of 1856)

This morning's podcast listen has put an idea out there. Often CEOs etc whose companies get done for tax fraud can use the excuse that it is their accountant/CFOs fault. They were speculating that maybe Tish has something that proves knowledge.

Crayola - 21 May 2021 12:00:19 (#892 of 1856)

I'd love him to get done for tax fraud.

dreams99 - 21 May 2021 12:04:10 (#893 of 1856)

Often CEOs etc whose companies get done for tax fraud can use the excuse that it is their accountant/CFOs fault.

If they've been advised that something is illegal and do it anyway, then it's not much of a defence.

Crayola - 21 May 2021 12:05:36 (#894 of 1856)

I mean claiming they don't know about it.

Crayola - 21 May 2021 12:06:05 (#895 of 1856)

My accountant did it.

slimpickins - 21 May 2021 12:08:45 (#896 of 1856)

I've read that one of Trump's problems is that because his organisation is so small barely extending beyond his close family and one or to long time associates, the excuses available to other CEOs are not available. The sums of money might be large but it's really just a Mom and Pop business and there's no Mom.

dreams99 - 21 May 2021 12:25:28 (#897 of 1856)

I mean claiming they don't know about it.

And the advisors should be able to produce a letter saying they advised against it.

TheSwearingBear - 21 May 2021 13:12:56 (#898 of 1856)

They should just lock the bastard up. Everyone, including his idiot base, know he's a fucking crook.

dreams99 - 21 May 2021 13:40:28 (#899 of 1856)

One of the Jan 6th insurrectionists has a hearing today. Probably not the profile pic I'd go with:

PaperRustler - 21 May 2021 13:54:35 (#900 of 1856)

Ted Cruz claiming that a US army video makes the military look 'like pansies':

Stupid story, and faked outrage (and maybe video). I'm only posting it because I love the pic of Ted the Post chose to illustrate it. Super-butch.

JohnIlly - 21 May 2021 13:59:14 (#901 of 1856)

How about these British soldiers:

misosoup100 - 21 May 2021 14:16:47 (#902 of 1856)

And the advisors should be able to produce a letter saying they advised against it.

You don't take notes during a criminal fucking conspiracy

misosoup100 - 21 May 2021 14:33:35 (#903 of 1856)

Florida Trumpist:

Rep. Anthony Sabatini @AnthonySabatini If Socrates was out philosophizing in American society today, he would be cancelled real quick

cozzer - 21 May 2021 14:37:38 (#904 of 1856)

What an absurd suggestion. What does he think they'd do to him, make him drink hemlock?

Tinymcsmithy - 21 May 2021 14:39:54 (#905 of 1856)


Ebadlun - 21 May 2021 14:41:18 (#906 of 1856)

Every fucking Youtube comedy video has a comment saying 'You couldn't make this today, you'd be cancelled by the woke mob'.

I even saw it on an Armstrong and Miller video that was only about 15 years old, and had nothing to do with any racial, sexual or otherwise PC-sensitive content whatsoever.

Dayraven - 21 May 2021 14:41:33 (#907 of 1856)

What does he think they'd do to him

Mutter about his associations with the Thirty Tyrants, then block him on Twitter because he just keeps popping up and asking questions.

dreams99 - 21 May 2021 14:42:41 (#908 of 1856)

You don't take notes during a criminal fucking conspiracy

You do if you want to protect yourself against prosecution, as any proper lawyer or accountant would.

But Trump only hires shit ones as no reputable ones would work with him, and they know they wouldn't get paid.

misosoup100 - 21 May 2021 14:46:59 (#909 of 1856)

Twas a quote from the Wire.

But I am fairly sure that if someone sent a letter to Trump telling him that his actions were illegal that person and the letter are no longer to be found.

Tinymcsmithy - 21 May 2021 14:47:20 (#910 of 1856)

Well I got the Stringer Bell reference anyway.

Tinymcsmithy - 21 May 2021 14:49:17 (#911 of 1856)

Michael Cohen was saying that Trump doesn’t even have an email address and the only things he ever writes are tweets.

dreams99 - 21 May 2021 15:26:16 (#912 of 1856)

Twas a quote from the Wire

I'm well aware of it.

TheSwearingBear - 21 May 2021 15:33:38 (#913 of 1856)

the only things he ever writes are tweets.

Not any more. Now it's just uninvited wedding ramblings.

JohnIlly - 21 May 2021 16:00:48 (#914 of 1856)

"Wedding Rambler" could be a new profession for those who cannot sing.

Garden - 21 May 2021 19:16:25 (#915 of 1856)

If Donald Trump signed his tax returns it doesn't matter if he's innocent of a fraud his accountant perpetrated.

He signed them, he's responsible for them.

PaperRustler - 21 May 2021 19:20:23 (#916 of 1856)

Plus once could be carelessness, over 50 years looks habitual.

Pixiedust - 21 May 2021 20:06:57 (#917 of 1856)

After voting to impeach former President Trump and getting ousted as head of the GOP Conference Chair, Rep. Liz Cheney now has to fend off a slew of Wyomingites with their sights set on her House seat. One of them is Anthony Bouchard, a conservative Republican and a member of the Wyoming Senate. But Bouchard is juggling a controversy of his own: On Thursday, he revealed that he impregnated a 14-year-old girl when he was 18, comparing their whirlwind romance to Romeo and Juliet.

Ew. Squick. Gah.

Garden - 21 May 2021 20:18:58 (#918 of 1856)

PBS is reporting it, too. I just came here to post that.

Definitely, the family values party. First Liz Cheney rejects her sister's marriage because family values, now her opponent is a rapist etc. etc. because family values.

You'd think Wyoming would be turning blue.

Pixiedust - 21 May 2021 20:51:05 (#919 of 1856)

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs sent a letter Thursday to Maricopa County officials to let them know that the fake "audit" of the 2020 election probably ruined hundreds of voting machines the county sent for "testing" under a subpoena from the state Senate. Since there's no knowing whether Cyber Ninjas, the QAnon enthusiasts running the audit, had messed up the machines, they can't safely be used again in future elections.

Once the machines were no longer under Maricopa County's control, Hobbs explained, the "chain of custody" was broken, leaving her with "grave concerns regarding the the security and integrity of these machines," she wrote. Hobbs said that she had consulted with election security experts at the federal Department of Homeland Security, who advised her that there was no way to tell whether the machines were still safe to use. The best thing to do with the things, she advised Maricopa County, would be to throw them out and buy new ones.


PaperRustler - 21 May 2021 20:56:14 (#920 of 1856)

I can't imagine what this is costing tax-payers. Mind you, since Donnie would happily burn the entire country to the ground to get his own way, I don't suppose a few million in tax dollars bothers him.

SinnerBoy - 21 May 2021 21:21:23 (#921 of 1856)


...he revealed that he impregnated a 14-year-old girl when he was 18, comparing their whirlwind romance to Romeo and Juliet.

Does anyone know if Wyoming has a statute of limitations for statutory rape?

Pixiedust - 21 May 2021 21:27:02 (#922 of 1856)

No idea, but after Roy Moore (with Matt Gaetz riding up the rails), if that guy manages to unseat Liz Cheney, the GOP need to think about a rebranding. Something that reflects the fact that many representatives should probably be in the nonce jotter.

Garden - 21 May 2021 21:27:53 (#923 of 1856)

Since there's no knowing whether Cyber Ninjas, the QAnon enthusiasts running the audit, had messed up the machines, they can't safely be used again in future elections.

I was wondering if it wasn't the intent of the Ninjas to fix the machines to produce the wanted outcome.

slimpickins - 21 May 2021 21:29:05 (#924 of 1856)

the GOP need to think about a rebranding

Ghastly Old Pervs?

Pixiedust - 21 May 2021 21:29:25 (#925 of 1856)

That'll do.

Garden - 21 May 2021 21:30:45 (#926 of 1856)

I decided to see what the Wyoming law was with regard to statute of limitations and found this, which is ironic because the poor lad is claiming it was just like Romeo and Juliet.

Wyoming does not have a close-in-age exemption. Close in age exemptions, commonly known as "Romeo and Juliet laws", are put in place to prevent the prosecution of individuals who engage in consensual sexual activity when both participants are significantly close in age to each other, and one or both partners are below the age of consent.

Garden - 21 May 2021 21:32:10 (#927 of 1856)

Wyoming does not have a criminal statute of limitations. In other words, prosecutors may file criminal charges against an abuser at any time. However, it is important to report sex abuse as quickly as possible. A prompt investigation may lead to a stronger case against your abuser.

SinnerBoy - 21 May 2021 21:33:46 (#928 of 1856)

It's strange, isn't it; they get insanely wound up over sex / paedo scandals, which have absolutely no basis in fact, as long as it's a Dem.

But an actual scandal, involving a Rep gets,


Pixiedust - 21 May 2021 21:34:48 (#929 of 1856)

Don't forget women deciding for themselves what to do with their own bodies, or people using public facilities.

SinnerBoy - 21 May 2021 21:35:55 (#930 of 1856)

Oh yes, pro life - unless it's an unarmed Black 13 year old.

Pixiedust - 21 May 2021 21:40:29 (#931 of 1856)

Everyone knows that Black teens are super-predators.*

*© Hillary Clinton

ZimAgain - 21 May 2021 21:46:53 (#932 of 1856)

It's lucky that Gaetz is too old to go for the Romeo Defence.

or Defense, if you must.

DBD333 - 21 May 2021 22:06:04 (#933 of 1856)

#927 Is this a matter for the authorities in Wyoming? He lives there but the rape occurred in Florida and it seems likely the victim killed herself there. It's very much a Florida story.

Garden - 21 May 2021 22:19:12 (#934 of 1856)

Ah, I didn't realize it happened in Florida.

All he needs to do is buy a Florida prosecutor, he'll be fine.

Pixiedust - 21 May 2021 22:20:19 (#935 of 1856)

Is Pam Bondi still hooked into the Florida legal system?

She managed to swing a sweetheart deal for Epstein.

Pixiedust - 22 May 2021 00:16:57 (#936 of 1856)

Rep. Carlos Gimenez about January 6: "I don't think [Trump] incited the events that happened. I know for a fact that I saw people in my hotel room that were saying they were gonna do something at 2 o'clock, & that happened at 9 o'clock in the morning"

Who was in his hotel room?

Is this shit-heel saying the quiet part out loud?

Garden - 22 May 2021 00:48:47 (#937 of 1856)

He's trying to walk it back by saying he misspoke, it was in the hotel lobby.

Begs the question, he heard some people planning an insurrection and did nothing about it?

Ebadlun - 22 May 2021 01:04:27 (#938 of 1856)

In other right wing wanker news:

popstar7 - 22 May 2021 01:09:04 (#939 of 1856)

Heh -

SinnerBoy - 22 May 2021 01:17:15 (#940 of 1856)

Ebadlun #938

In other right wing wanker news

They're particularly vile examples of inhuman scum, aren't they?

Ebadlun - 22 May 2021 01:20:52 (#941 of 1856)

So much effort shitting up the world. Why?

SinnerBoy - 22 May 2021 01:22:23 (#942 of 1856)

Because their wallets can never be fat enough to satisfy them.

moto748 - 22 May 2021 02:02:23 (#943 of 1856)


Fuck that's depressing. What is it with these people. Who causes the most misery wins? And they can just go ahead and do it. And they do.

misosoup100 - 22 May 2021 02:43:40 (#944 of 1856)

Let's play guess the news show from the chyron.

The headline: Poultry enthusiast responds to new CDC guidelines on kissing chickens

The show: ?


TheSwearingBear - 22 May 2021 03:19:17 (#945 of 1856)

Must be Fucker.

PaperRustler - 22 May 2021 07:52:51 (#946 of 1856)

Clucker, shirley.

Pixiedust - 22 May 2021 11:26:54 (#947 of 1856)

Why is Al Jazeera offering advice to the GOP?

davedanon - 22 May 2021 11:32:31 (#948 of 1856)

Clucker, shirley.


TheBigSmurf - 22 May 2021 12:01:24 (#949 of 1856)

Some more news and commentary here on the Arizona ballot "audit" and the apparent chaos which it is causing.

dreams99 - 22 May 2021 12:07:27 (#950 of 1856)

Michael flynn still nuts, possibly because he's been taking hydroxychloroquine for 30 years:

Atticus - 22 May 2021 12:22:47 (#951 of 1856)

"Epstein guards to skirt jail time in deal with prosecutors"

It's bad enough but I'm also getting a mental image of the wardens in Line of Duty.

flossiefoe - 22 May 2021 12:59:36 (#952 of 1856)

I thought the suggestion that Flynn should visit India to see to see the devastation wrought by covid was pretty heartless. They’ve more than enough on their plate without having to cope with a nutty retired US general.

darkhorse - 22 May 2021 13:02:22 (#953 of 1856)

Tbf to the Epstein rubbish guards, I imagine former guards don't get a nice time in pokey. And although they were negligent, I don't think it is necessary deserving of prison.

brooklyn - 22 May 2021 13:10:45 (#954 of 1856)

it's a bit more than negligent, when you falsify official records. but I agree; for a first offense, and after a guilty plea, that doesn't sound like a prison offense to me. it's easy to say 'hey, they're responsible for Epstein's death.' but unless they could be tied directly to that somehow, it's a first-offense paper crime.

TheSwearingBear - 22 May 2021 13:14:00 (#955 of 1856)

But threatening them with jail unless they fess up about who they let in to kill him is fair enough.

brooklyn - 22 May 2021 13:17:00 (#956 of 1856)

dog bites man there.

cozzer - 22 May 2021 13:25:13 (#957 of 1856)

who they let in to kill him

I don't buy it. He had previously attempted suicide, so why is it surprising that he succeeded the second time? If the previous attempt wasn't actually suicide by a murder attempt, he doesn't strike me as the kind of person who would stay quiet and accept his fate, he would have been whining about how his life was in danger and they need to protect him and so on.

Dayraven - 22 May 2021 13:33:36 (#958 of 1856)

I don't buy it. He had previously attempted suicide, so why is it surprising that he succeeded the second time?

A lot of the conspiracy theory seems to be “It’s strange, prison guards are usually so zealous about protecting the lives of paedophiles.”

slimpickins - 22 May 2021 17:56:01 (#959 of 1856)

It's the apparent coincidence of the guards behaviour and the cameras being down that fuels the conspiracy theories. That and many who followed the case expected it to happen.

Oh, and two inquiries have found no fault with the process that led him getting the mildest of slaps on the wrist last time.

Dismissing the idea he was murdered as just a conspiracy theory is unreasonable, so is being certain it was suicide.

Garden - 22 May 2021 18:17:04 (#960 of 1856)

I've always felt it's equal odds between murder and suicide when an inmate is found "hanged by the neck" in a jail cell. I don't think Sandra Bland killed herself. I doubt Jeffrey Epstein did.

cozzer - 22 May 2021 18:23:04 (#961 of 1856)

Dismissing the idea he was murdered as just a conspiracy theory is unreasonable, so is being certain it was suicide.

I'm not dismissing that he was killed, and I'm not certain it was suicide. I just don't think people should be so convinced he was killed, especially since he had already attempted suicide. And we don't know how often the cameras went down in that prison.

cozzer - 22 May 2021 18:24:01 (#962 of 1856)

Also, if you're going to kill him to try and keep his mouth shut, you have to be sure that he doesn't have some insurance policy where things will get released when he dies.

Pixiedust - 22 May 2021 19:25:58 (#963 of 1856)

Oh noes! It turns out that being a lawyer doesn't protect you from the Feds getting all up in your business:

Federal prosecutors argued in a legal brief that Rudy Giuliani and Victoria Toensing should not be “above the law” because of their connections as attorneys, warning that the lawyers’ quest for information about their search warrants could compromise an active grand jury investigation against them and “others.”

“Giuliani and Toensing’s additional requests proceed from a central premise: that a different set of rules apply to them because of who they are, whether it is because they are lawyers or lawyers with important clients,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Rebekah Donaleski wrote in a 37-page legal brief on Thursday evening. “Giuliani and Toensing are lawyers, to be sure. But this Court has found probable cause that their devices and accounts contain evidence of specified federal crimes.”

Tinymcsmithy - 23 May 2021 13:09:54 (#964 of 1856)

Why is Jim Jordan called Gym Jordan as an insult?

Pixiedust - 23 May 2021 13:17:54 (#965 of 1856)

Because he was a wresting coach who ignored young athletes in his care being molested.

Tinymcsmithy - 23 May 2021 13:19:45 (#966 of 1856)

I thought it might be.

I wonder though if he sees it as a compliment, rather than an insult. Gym = fitness and muscles etc.

Pixiedust - 23 May 2021 13:20:21 (#967 of 1856)

Links here:

Tinymcsmithy - 23 May 2021 13:21:40 (#968 of 1856)

Thanks. Yep, I assumed it had some connection to him being a meathead. (I hadn’t connected it to the abuse stuff though).

Pixiedust - 23 May 2021 13:22:41 (#969 of 1856)

And the worst thing is, thanks to gerrymandering, he will probably be re-elected.

Tinymcsmithy - 23 May 2021 13:22:56 (#970 of 1856)

I just wonder if the Gym stuff misses the mark as an insult.

Tinymcsmithy - 23 May 2021 13:23:35 (#971 of 1856)

He comes across as thick as two short planks also.

Pixiedust - 23 May 2021 13:49:53 (#972 of 1856)


There's generous.

slimpickins - 23 May 2021 14:53:04 (#973 of 1856)

More scumbag news; Trump advisor Jason Miller, who last month was found to be hiding earnings in order to avoid paying child support, has been ordered to pay $42k in legal fees after trying to sue over a story that merely reported a court filing. Here's the story he was trying to suppress:

On Friday, September 14, 2018, Ms. Delgado filed a supplement to an earlier motion for the court to consider a psychological evaluation of Mr. Miller. Essentially, the supplement stated that Ms. Delgado was informed in the summer of 2018 that Mr. Miller (while married) had an affair in 2012 with a stripper in Florida referred to as Jane Doe; that Mr. Miller had sexual intercourse with Ms. Doe; that Ms. Doe became pregnant; that Mr. Miller visited Ms. Doe and gave her a beverage which, unbeknownst to her, contained an abortion pill; that Ms. Doe wound up in a hospital emergency room, bleeding heavily, and almost went into a coma; that the pill induced an abortion; and that Ms. Doe’s unborn child died. The supplement identified Ms. Delgado’s initial source for this information and stated that Ms. Doe had later confirmed the story to a journalist.

Crayola - 23 May 2021 15:08:15 (#974 of 1856)

Fucking hell. What a piece of shit.

misosoup100 - 23 May 2021 15:09:46 (#975 of 1856)

Why is he not in prison?

Tinymcsmithy - 23 May 2021 15:10:03 (#976 of 1856)

I think a lot of these people are simply stupid. I don’t mean that as an insult, they are literally fucking idiots.

TheSwearingBear - 23 May 2021 15:31:16 (#977 of 1856)

I have to say that's my conclusion with the vast majority of the Republican Party at the moment. It's a worry.

It's like they all went to a right wing woodstock and took the bad acid.

Tinymcsmithy - 23 May 2021 15:36:48 (#978 of 1856)

“ Capitol rioters are blaming each other for breaking down police barriers and smashing doors to get inside the building during the Jan. 6 insurrection.”

Verdigris - 23 May 2021 15:49:17 (#979 of 1856)

Rats in a sack.

Tinymcsmithy - 23 May 2021 15:50:14 (#980 of 1856)

Very very stupid rats.

slimpickins - 23 May 2021 15:55:17 (#981 of 1856)

I don’t mean that as an insult, they are literally fucking idiots.

Certainly true of the stripper.

davedanon - 23 May 2021 15:56:30 (#982 of 1856)

Echoing what someone posted earlier, why isn't that fucking human vermin in prison?

slimpickins - 23 May 2021 15:57:44 (#983 of 1856)

Is the case is ongoing? Things seem to take ages in the US.

JohnIlly - 23 May 2021 16:25:31 (#984 of 1856)

Lock him up! Why is repeat offender Donald Trump still a free man?

Tinymcsmithy - 24 May 2021 10:30:36 (#985 of 1856)

“ Capitol insurrectionists aren't making plea deals because they believe Trump will swoop in to save them”

pranzingfrogg - 24 May 2021 10:58:14 (#986 of 1856)

After over four years, they still haven’t grasped that he helps nobody outside his own head.

Tadagee - 24 May 2021 12:28:05 (#987 of 1856)

Wll this latest missive to Elmer Fudpacker III makes clear what really happened.

"Some people breached the Capitol and there was some violence, but no one had any weapons, there was absolutely no attempt to overthrow the American government and the only person who was killed was an unarmed female Trump supporter."

Which might come as a slight surprise to the family of Officer Sicknick.

darkhorse - 24 May 2021 12:37:06 (#988 of 1856)

Looking at the internet though, that he “wasn’t killed” might be the medical examiners finding:

Garden - 24 May 2021 19:07:04 (#989 of 1856)

The medical examiner determined that he died of natural causes. Oddly, I haven't heard evidence that he'd have died that day even without the intervention of the insurrectionists in his health profile.

Garden - 24 May 2021 19:46:38 (#990 of 1856)

Ammon Bundy's paperwork to run for governor of Idaho is flawed, apparently disqualifying him.

Not only is he the candidate, but he's also listed as treasurer. And, unlike the candidate, the rules say that the treasurer of a campaign needs to be...

Registered to vote.

Pixiedust - 24 May 2021 20:06:13 (#991 of 1856)

Am I allowed a malicious chuckle?

Pixiedust - 24 May 2021 20:21:34 (#992 of 1856)

Another one for the "I thought Spanky would be true to his word!" collection:

A former U.S. Ambassador to the European Union who became a key impeachment witness recounted entering into a simple agreement with then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo once the former president’s Ukrainian scandal emerged.

A hotelier who landed his tony diplomatic post after paying a $1 million donation to Donald Trump’s inaugural committee, Gordon Sondland had been perceived as an administration loyalist when the first impeachment just began to swirl. Sondland claims his deal with Pompeo called for the government to foot his legal bills as he prepared for blockbuster testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. The closed-door testimony that preceded it, by all accounts, toed the administration’s line.

But then, Sondland says, something went awry: The then-ambassador testified honestly during the seven-hour public hearing, according to a $1.8 million federal lawsuit in the District of Columbia trying to recover his legal fees.

“For all his troubles, Ambassador Sondland learned that testifying truthfully and candidly before Congress as cameras roll was in fact a fireable offense in Pompeo’s Department of State,” Sondland’s lawyer Mark Barondess wrote in a 21-page complaint. “Plaintiff was terminated on February 7, 2020, simply for telling the truth.”

davedanon - 24 May 2021 20:23:53 (#993 of 1856)

Heart of stone, baby, heart of stone.

SinnerBoy - 24 May 2021 20:23:56 (#994 of 1856)

What is a "tony diplomatic post"?

davedanon - 24 May 2021 20:25:04 (#995 of 1856)

You have to be a top actor to spoof your way into one.

Garden - 24 May 2021 20:29:10 (#996 of 1856)

Am I allowed a malicious chuckle?

Certainly! I'll join you in one.

Pixiedust - 24 May 2021 20:31:20 (#997 of 1856)

<chuckles maliciously and gleefully>

Pixiedust - 24 May 2021 20:32:14 (#998 of 1856)

What is a "tony diplomatic post"?

One of the cushier ones, like London or the EU, rather than, say, Turkmenistan or Burundi.

brooklyn - 24 May 2021 20:40:24 (#999 of 1856)

<<Am I allowed a malicious chuckle?>>

I prefer to think that my chuckle was "patriotic."

LaLady - 24 May 2021 20:57:05 (#1000 of 1856)

I'm shamelessly taking a thigh-slapping guffaw.

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