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Started by virgil5 on Jun 28, 2018 10:26:48 AM
"I am Jesus Christ."

13 May 1981.

Vatican City.

Two men "writing postcards" wait while the white Fiat with Pope John Paul II approaches through a celebrating crowd.

Four shots ring out.

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virgil5 - 28 Jun 2018 10:27:50 (#1 of 65)

The Pope is shot.

His attacker is still alive 100 years after the events in Fatima, Portugal on 13 May 1917.

mingmong - 28 Jun 2018 10:35:15 (#2 of 65)

Loads of people got shot in those days

Why was it always the reactionary knackers like Reagan and Pope JP who survived these attempts; while the bullets fired at the likes of JFK and Olof Palme always turned out to be better aimed?

virgil5 - 28 Jun 2018 10:41:36 (#3 of 65)

Not sure. "The good die young."?

The possible backstories behind this assassination attempt, however, get "curiouser and curiouser" (Alice down the rabbit hole there) with the passage of time.

FleurDuMal - 28 Jun 2018 10:41:57 (#4 of 65)

Practice. The RW tend to be militaristic gun-nuts, whereas lefties are more about the grand gesture.

Delighted_User - 28 Jun 2018 10:42:51 (#5 of 65)

Reagan should have died. He broke the 20-year curse, which was fun.

dottie30 - 28 Jun 2018 10:43:34 (#6 of 65)

The guy that shot JPII was certifable though. I realise he was acting with others but he was (and still is) completely insane.

He has latterly claimed that it was a plan of JPII's enemies in the Vatican; then later it was a plan of Iran. He has claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus and has been trying to become a Catholic priest for years (he's a former member of the Turkish grey wolves).

Hysterically, after he'd served various sentences in both Turkey and Italy, the Turkish government put him through a selection process to see if he was fit for the military service he'd got out of through criminal activity, being on the run and prison sentences. They decided he was too mad even for them.

Delighted_User - 28 Jun 2018 10:45:45 (#7 of 65)

Surely it's a bit paradoxical for the reincarnation of Jesus to want to be a priest.

dottie30 - 28 Jun 2018 10:48:45 (#8 of 65)

I don't think rational evaluation is this guy's strong point.

virgil5 - 28 Jun 2018 10:55:44 (#9 of 65)

certifiable

Hmmm.

His obsession with Fatima and his recent implication attempt with Iran are....interesting.

I'm thinking what the apparent return of Mussolini-like thinking may be making of this.

Hilary - 28 Jun 2018 10:59:34 (#10 of 65)

reactionary knackers like Reagan and Pope JP

Both Reagan and JP2 were very progressive figures, and very important in helping to bring about the collapse of the Communist dictatorships in Eastern Europe, and just a couple of years later in the Soviet Union too. They should be celebrated by anyone who is not a tankie-style Stalinist.

dottie30 - 28 Jun 2018 11:01:32 (#11 of 65)

They also were not shot by leftists.

The assassination attempt on JP II was carried out by an extreme right wing fanatic; while the attempt on Reagan was carried out by someone with an obsession with a Hollywood actress (Jodie Foster).

Delighted_User - 28 Jun 2018 11:07:23 (#12 of 65)

Eastern Europe collapsed under its own weight. Reagan had very little to do with it, but that doesn't stop the dafter sort of Americans from giving him credit for it. I don't know whether Mr Lary is American, but daftness is a broad church in any case.

virgil5 - 28 Jun 2018 11:07:34 (#13 of 65)

JPII supposedly called the attempt a revelation of the "third secret of Fatima".

Some sort of Vatican agenda there?

Delighted_User - 28 Jun 2018 11:09:50 (#14 of 65)

The usual one, I think. To prop up the bollocks it's all based on.

virgil5 - 28 Jun 2018 11:15:26 (#15 of 65)

the bollocks it's all based on

Indeed. But the Vatican owns a lot of property worldwide. They would like to keep filling seats every Sunday before the offering plate is passed around.

And Iran....well Iran is conveniently Iran for "Christian" purposes.....

dottie30 - 28 Jun 2018 11:18:32 (#16 of 65)

I don't think the Vatican has been instrumental in pointing the finger at Iran. Iran has been mentioned by a bonkers nutjob who claims all sorts of people were 'in on it'. And who is a narcissistic freak who revels in the attention.

virgil5 - 28 Jun 2018 11:21:59 (#17 of 65)

That's sort of the "madman" explanation, though.

These people are supposedly always "a deranged gunman, acting alone" for cover story purposes.

dottie30 - 28 Jun 2018 11:27:10 (#18 of 65)

We know he didn't act alone. He had another Turkish accomplice from the Grey Wolves plus two Bulgarians (a member of the Grey Wolves was also a Turk living in Bulgaria and head of an underground crime syndicate). They were paid to do it. It's not really a massive conspiracy.

And there can be no doubt Ali Acga is two pegs short of a washing line. Not a word that comes out of his mouth can be believed.

browserbutton - 28 Jun 2018 11:28:10 (#19 of 65)

Same with Popes then, who believes all that hogwash?

A: Millions of people.

dottie30 - 28 Jun 2018 11:29:44 (#20 of 65)

Irrelevant as to the attempted assassination though.

This was a hit by mercenaries acting on behalf of a criminal neo-nazi organisation. It really is not some complicated web of intrigue.

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