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Started by xbod72 on Oct 21, 2018 3:27:19 PM
What's it like to wear the helmet from a 15th century suit of armour? (LindyBeige vid)
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AdrianNTierney - 21 Oct 2018 22:09:42 (#1 of 35)

Are you a member of the SCA? (Society for Creative Anachronism)

YorenInTheNorth - 21 Oct 2018 22:12:34 (#2 of 35)

He is a good story teller. Watched half an hour on a subject I had no interest in as he was so compelling.

upgoerfive - 21 Oct 2018 23:25:41 (#3 of 35)

I've watched quite a few of his vids over the last few months. He has a genuine and infectious enthusiasm.

xbod72 - 22 Oct 2018 20:24:54 (#4 of 35)

Are you a member of the SCA? (Society for Creative Anachronism)



Sorry, totally lost with that - no doubt because my knowledge of history isn't very good.

It feels like you're saying to me "they didn't have suits of armour in the 15th century" but that can't be right.

AdrianNTierney - 22 Oct 2018 20:52:08 (#5 of 35)

It feels like you're saying to me "they didn't have suits of armour in the 15th century" but that can't be right.

Of course they had suits of armor in the 15th century. But they were strictly for parade display by the high-n-mighty, not for use on actual battlefields by that time.

HouseOfLametta - 22 Oct 2018 21:04:09 (#6 of 35)

Should have told Richard III.

xbod72 - 22 Oct 2018 21:14:18 (#7 of 35)

Ah. How did they adorn themselves for battle in the 15thC? The upper crust, I mean.

HouseOfLametta - 22 Oct 2018 21:25:28 (#8 of 35)

Um?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f
7/MS_Ghent_-_Battle_of_Tewkesbury.jpg

TRaney - 22 Oct 2018 21:28:11 (#9 of 35)

That bloke’s taken one in the cock.

Snarlygog - 25 Oct 2018 06:21:12 (#10 of 35)

They had 3/4 plate upto the early 17th C.

Eligelis - 25 Oct 2018 08:54:52 (#11 of 35)

Of course they had suits of armor in the 15th century. But they were strictly for parade display by the high-n-mighty, not for use on actual battlefields by that time.

Sorry, but wrong. Every piece of evidence confirms that knights armour was still in use in the C15th. The Impact of the tbattle of Agincourt (just from an english perspective) would not have been so great if the french nobility were not in their (supposedly invincible) suits of armour.

HouseOfLametta - 25 Oct 2018 08:59:59 (#12 of 35)

There is a door in Tewkesbury Abbey reinforced with armour taken from the Bloody Meadow after the battle (1471).

But if Ant says something, you can take it to the bank.

Eligelis - 25 Oct 2018 09:17:26 (#13 of 35)

the bottlebank?

HouseOfLametta - 25 Oct 2018 09:54:13 (#14 of 35)

The river bank. In a sack.

Dayraven - 25 Oct 2018 11:07:18 (#15 of 35)

Sorry, totally lost with that

They're one of the major medieval reenactment/Renaissance fair groups. So I didn't read it as a dig until the followup post.

AdrianNTierney - 25 Oct 2018 12:54:33 (#16 of 35)

After Agincourt, the value of a full suit of armor rather lost its glamor. As well as considerations of the cost of such a fitting.

And the value of seeing the leaders of the mob, in their suits of bright armor, continued more for political value than actual 'protection'.

MrPurple - 25 Oct 2018 14:08:00 (#17 of 35)

Surely it was the increase in use of firearms that put an end to the value of a full suit of armour on the battlefield?

ChankNolen - 26 Oct 2018 12:16:29 (#18 of 35)

Armour was still being worn in the Napoleonic wars.

InternationalVicar - 26 Oct 2018 12:20:57 (#19 of 35)

Metal hats were quite popular a while

ChankNolen - 26 Oct 2018 12:28:25 (#20 of 35)

Armour has served different purposes at different times. The cuirass came back into popularity in the late C18th for heavy cavalry, along with the metal helmet, as protection against sword cuts and thrusts. It wasn't protection against bullets but then the effective range of firearms wasn't much more than fifty yards. So armour still had a role to play provided that cavalry tactics were sound.

Soldiers' memoirs at Waterloo recall that, when the French heavy cavalry approached allied squares, the rattle of bullets on cuirasses could be heard over the other noises of battle.

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