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Started by staticgirl on Nov 11, 2018 8:44:12 PM
100 years on - as it happened

To discuss the aftermath of the Great War ( see the earlier wonderful WW1 as it a=happened thread here: https://justthetalk.com/history/29296/ww1_100_year
s_on___as_it_happened/2872
) and beyond.

War, pestilence, economic strife, unrest. Emancipation, art, music and writing. Destruction and creation.

All milestones celebrated or commemorated.

Or just argue about 100 year old news like it happened yesterday!

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Lawlsie - 11 Nov 2018 21:08:10 (#1 of 127)

A general election is called in Britain. It'll be the first time women can vote if they're 30 or over and all men over 21.

StakludKar - 12 Nov 2018 12:31:55 (#2 of 127)

12th November 1918.

Russia cancels the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk

Arjuna - 12 Nov 2018 14:27:01 (#3 of 127)

I am surprised it took them a whole day. Poland declared independence yesterday.

Arjuna - 12 Nov 2018 16:13:40 (#4 of 127)

Germany's surrender creates a huge power vacuum in eastern europe as their puppet states and the Austrian-Hungarian Empire collapses. New entities arise to take their place but blink and you miss them. These are three entities created by ethnic Poles in Austria-Hungary

The Republic of Tarnobrzeg was a short-lived entity, proclaimed 6 November 1918 in the Polish town of Tarnobrzeg. Its main founders were two socialist activists - Tomasz Dabal and Father Eugeniusz Okon, a Roman Catholic priest

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Tarnob
rzeg


The Provisional People's Government of the Republic of Poland, also known as the Government of Ignacy Daszyński, was established on 7 November 1918 in Lublin, Austrian Galicia, as one of the precursors of Poland's sovereignty following World War I. It proclaimed the creation of a constitutional republic with the right to parliamentary elections, nationalization of key industries, as well as social, labour, and land reforms

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_People
%27s_Government_of_the_Republic_of_Poland


The Republic of Zakopane refers to an area in Galicia centered on the city of Zakopane that created its own parliament on October 13, 1918. The parliament's principal goal was to join an independent state of Poland. On October 30, the Organisation officially declared its independence from Austria-Hungary and, two days later, made itself a "National Council". This was eventually disestablished on November 16 when the Polish Liquidation Committee took control of Galicia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Zakopa
ne

staticgirl - 13 Nov 2018 14:45:26 (#5 of 127)

From t'other thread:

brooklyn - 13 Nov 2018 13:52:21 ( #2880 of 2882)

November 12/13, 1918.

French troops enter Istanbul on the 12th. British troops follow the next day. they will finally all depart five years later.

It is the first fall of Istanbul since Sultan Mehmed II arrived in 1453.

staticgirl - 13 Nov 2018 14:46:00 (#6 of 127)

The Ottoman empire crumbling into pieces...

HouseOfLametta - 13 Nov 2018 14:51:49 (#7 of 127)

I had an ottoman like that.

Arjuna - 13 Nov 2018 16:36:30 (#8 of 127)

And Britain and France have already divvied bits of it up

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes–Picot_
Agreement

Arjuna - 13 Nov 2018 16:40:13 (#9 of 127)

Far from wishing to impose on the populations of these regions any particular institutions they are only concerned to ensure by their support and by adequate assistance the regular working of Governments and administrations freely chosen by the populations themselves

Its not that far from it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-French_Declaration

Lawlsie - 14 Nov 2018 08:41:26 (#10 of 127)

It’s announced today that Parliament, which has been sitting since 1910 and been extended by emergency wartime action, will dissolve on 25 November with elections to be held on 14 December. Tune in then to see how this landmark election goes with women, over 30, voting for the first time and all men over 21 eligible to vote. Should be a good one...

Arjuna - 14 Nov 2018 08:53:51 (#11 of 127)

Despite the best efforts of the main players to take all the fun out of it

The ‘Coupon Election’ was on December 14th, 1918. The ‘Coupon Election’ is so-called as those candidates for the Liberal Party who had supported the coalition government of David Lloyd George during World War One were issued with a letter of support signed by both Lloyd George and Andrew Bonar Law, leader of the Conservative Party. This was seen as being a mark of approval for those candidates. Herbert Asquith, the official leader of the Liberals, referred to the letter as a “coupon” and the title stuck with regards to the name of the actual election in 1918.

Where a ‘Coupon’ Liberal stood for election, no Conservative challenged him. Where a Conservative stood, no ‘Coupon’ Liberal challenged him. Therefore there was no chance of coalition candidate competing against another.

https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/british-electoral-history-since-1832/the-1918-coupon-election/

So an estsblishment stitch up. Its a stark difference to 1945, when Labour and Tories get the gloves off even before VJ day.

Arjuna - 14 Nov 2018 09:04:55 (#12 of 127)

One of the things I came to appreciate during the last thread is how much of a cunning fox Lloyd George was. He knows how to manipulate Parliament and the electorate and never hesitates to do so. Keeping himself in power while the Liberal Party collapses was quite some feat, although he was very much the man of the moment. He styles himself as the man who won the war and his background puts him into a perfect poition to take advantage of the expansion of the electorate but the pact makes sure he will not suffer from it.

Whatever his flaws, he is undoubtedly a political genius who serves as an archtype for those seeking electorate in the new age of universal suffrage.

Lawlsie - 14 Nov 2018 09:09:11 (#13 of 127)

It's because of Lloyd George that the Conservatives' 1922 Committee was set up but we're getting ahead of ourselves here...

Arjuna - 14 Nov 2018 09:22:46 (#14 of 127)

Its the coupon that is of interest right now, the major parties must have been terrified of the repercusions of extending the vote.

As a result of the Act, the male electorate was extended by 5.2 million to 12.9 million. The female electorate was 8.5 million

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_of_
the_People_Act_1918

Lawlsie - 14 Nov 2018 09:48:23 (#15 of 127)

Yes it's very interesting quite agree.

A truly fascinating time this.

Arjuna - 14 Nov 2018 10:14:23 (#16 of 127)

It's great that there have been centenary celebrations of women getting the vote but can't help but wonder whether at the time, it was the working class getting the vote that focused most on politicians minds.

Lawlsie - 14 Nov 2018 10:53:12 (#17 of 127)

More of them so probably. But women's vote an unknown quantity. But I agree with your assessment upthread, weren't given much of a choice who to vote for. Went for continuity because not much else on offer.

Don't want to give the game away but think Ireland quite interesting in the election and also Labour may increase its number of seats... and form its first ever government, although minority, just six years later and only 24 years after it was officially formed.

TommyDGNR8 - 14 Nov 2018 11:15:01 (#18 of 127)

A cynic might think that the limited number of more affluent women were granted the vote in an attempt to cancel out the newly enfranchised workers.

Arjuna - 14 Nov 2018 11:17:48 (#19 of 127)

but working class women also got the vote, how does that work?

Arjuna - 14 Nov 2018 11:19:50 (#20 of 127)

I think in the long term women gaining the vote has had a huge effect but in the short term, most politicians would have just hoped women would vote the same way as their husbands - there were no women's parties but the Labour Party was a huge threat.

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