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Started by Tadagee on Jun 26, 2019 10:29:34 PM
British Civil Wars: which side are you? Any why?

The Anarchy: Stephen or Matilda?

The Wars of the Roses: York or Lancaster?

The Civil War: Royalist or Parliamentarian?

Arjuna - 27 Jun 2019 21:51:52 (#88 of 129)

In the aftermath of the French Revolution the aristocrats of Paris reacted in a similar manner to the restoration court of the Merrie Monarch. They emphasized their own style and decadance portraying the revolutionaries as dour and joyless.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incroyables_and_Me
rveilleuses

barkis - 27 Jun 2019 22:03:04 (#89 of 129)

#86

Cromwell had the Instrument of Government written after he'd got rid of the parliament he'd appointed. No English or British monarch has behaved so despotically.

Arjuna - 27 Jun 2019 22:15:10 (#90 of 129)

No English or British monarch has behaved so despotically.

Clearly untrue, between 1629 and 1640 Charles had governed for eleven years without Parliament. He only recalled Parliament as he had to fund a war with his other Kingdom but found they had no interest in rubber stamping his programme.

surferboogiewhatever - 27 Jun 2019 22:17:17 (#91 of 129)

she couldn't bear to see him just lying there

His feet are missing, he could hardly stand up.

FleurDuMal - 27 Jun 2019 22:22:59 (#92 of 129)

Hah!

SinnerBoy - 28 Jun 2019 13:51:21 (#93 of 129)

PostmodernToss -

Definitely a Royalist for the ECW.

Me too, mostly because I dislike religious extremists, but also, I've got the right look.

RosyLovelady - 28 Jun 2019 13:53:01 (#94 of 129)

King Charles the Martyr was a bit of a religious extremist in his way.

AlanII - 28 Jun 2019 14:07:22 (#95 of 129)

It's kept me and my wife in work for a fair few years here, TR.

Arjuna - 28 Jun 2019 14:07:45 (#96 of 129)

He even had Bishops in the House of Lords until Parliament passed this act to exclude them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clergy_Act_1640

AlanII - 28 Jun 2019 14:10:31 (#97 of 129)

just think that dead bodies are best left alone, not sure what good it has done digging him and burying him again

The grave would have been destroyed anyway during the construction of the car park. That was the whole point of the prior excavation. Believe me, like it or not, archaeologists display a far greater respect for human remains than the alternative.

FleurDuMal - 28 Jun 2019 14:12:43 (#98 of 129)

I still think he should have been re-buried in Yorkshire.

Shadrack22 - 28 Jun 2019 14:14:58 (#99 of 129)

not sure what good it has done digging him and burying him again

Adding to the sum of our knowledge.

Arjuna - 28 Jun 2019 14:17:13 (#100 of 129)

I know archeologists have respect for remains, I would just prefer to see any dead bodies that have to be moved just passed along quickly and quietly. I found the whole reburial absolutely grotesque.

xbod72 - 28 Jun 2019 14:40:36 (#101 of 129)

archaeologists display a far greater respect for human remains than the alternative.



A visit from a priapic phantom Jimmy Savile?

Arjuna - 28 Jun 2019 15:00:30 (#102 of 129)

The religious context of the wars is undeniable, the early to mid seventeenth century is by some distance the era when religion mattered most to people in this country. The reason is quite simple, it was a time when many were learning to read but most of those had only one book to read - the bible. It meant that they had a far greater knowledge of events in ancient Israel than they did of even the Elizabethan age. This was probably more evident on the parliamentary side, aristocrats would have had an education that included Greek and Roman classics as well as more contemporary works.

After Charles left London, things began to change extremely quickly. As there were no censorship laws, printing presses began to churn out huge numbers of cheap pamphlets from the ever mushrooming political and religious groupings. Propaganda was a crucial element of the war, the Levellers put out a series of tracts including their manifesto ideas were presented in their manifesto "Agreement of the People". Ranters, Diggers, Seekers and Quakers followed suit and Royalists were quick to retaliate.

On the day of Charles’s burial, a book entitled Eikon Basilike - The Portraiture of his Sacred Majesty in his Solitudes and Sufferings was published. Allegedly drawing on the private diary of the king, it included prayers urging the forgiveness of his executioners with a justification of royalism and the King's political and military programme. Parliament immediately commissioned Milton to pen a riposte and vast numbers of both were sold.

Many examples of these works still exist in this collection.

https://www.lincoln.ox.ac.uk/The-Thomas-Marshall-Collection-of-Civil-

TRaney - 28 Jun 2019 15:03:06 (#103 of 129)

It's kept me and my wife in work for a fair few years here, TR

Preconceptions duly updated Alan. Sorry for being impertinent.

AlanII - 28 Jun 2019 15:20:13 (#104 of 129)

No problem.

xbod72 - 28 Jun 2019 17:35:41 (#105 of 129)

The reason is quite simple, it was a time when many were learning to read but most of those had only one book to read - the bible.



I saw a TV programme only within the last decade that declared "the average number of books in UK households is 1."

Now, there's different sorts of averages, isn't there? I cannot imagine that it's the average where you take the number of books within households and divide them all up equally is the right one.

It might be the one where you line up all the households in order of how many books they've got and then you pick the one in the middle and that's only got 1 book. And it could well be the Bible.

DesEsseintes - 28 Jun 2019 20:45:28 (#106 of 129)

Neither of them in all three. Same as Brexit.

Which is the point, I am guessing.

Bernadette43 - 28 Jun 2019 21:33:53 (#107 of 129)

The Wars of the Roses, I would definitely be on the side of the White Rose, but I admire greatly Margaret Beufort who fought so bravely to put her son Henry V11 on the throne. Also the Welsh Jasper Tudor (brother to her husband) Edmund Tudor, played his part. She lived to a grand old age, and several of Henry V111's wives were in thrall of her.

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