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Started by YorenInTheNorth on Oct 9, 2019 11:09:12 PM
Heroes of History

Who stands out to you as an exceptional individual worthy of comment?

Your definition is up to you. Mine is someone who plays a very good hand with a very poor deck.

YorenInTheNorth - 09 Oct 2019 23:16:09 (#1 of 105)

Raoul Wallenberg. A Swedish Diplomat who operated in Hungary during the later stages of WWII. He saved tens of thousands of Jews.

Read the article for the particulars but some acts include expanding the Embassy to an absurd degree and hiding thousands in their protected sites. Most dramatic includes walking right up to cattle cars going to the camps, handing out passports to the people in them then demanding they be released.

Sheer will power and the strategic situation (the local Nazis knew they were fucked) combined to save a large number of people.

YorenInTheNorth - 09 Oct 2019 23:23:16 (#2 of 105)

Also WWII. Sophie Scoll and the White Rose.

Students who had come of age under the Nazis. Non-violent, they simply handed out leaflets denouncing the regime and it's crimes. They stood no chance and must have known it.

But when evil rises the fact they did this shows evil, no matter how strong, will always be opposed.

Ebadlun - 09 Oct 2019 23:23:29 (#3 of 105)

Cyrus the Great - his tolerant approach to empire does seem to be a genuine moral advance on the kill'n'exile attitude of the Assyrians and neo-Babylonians.

HouseOfLametta - 09 Oct 2019 23:58:46 (#4 of 105)

John Simpson. The Donkey Man Of ANZAC Cove.

brooklyn - 10 Oct 2019 03:04:03 (#5 of 105)

well. speaking of cyrus and his successors: why not mention Militiades? and Marathon. who knows, maybe the west would have done wonderfully, with Greece made Persian. but I doubt many of us would want to presume that.

anyway. forgive me for being American. hey, what choice do I, or you, have? and so let me nominate our two biggest American heroes.

Washington. talk about a bad hand. a bunch of freezing colonials without shoes. and he had so much to learn -- as the lucky escape from the Battle of Brooklyn (in my neighborhood) doubtless taught. and he then became the reincarnation of Cincinnatus.

Lincoln. he gets elected: and his opposition only to the expansion of slavery is enough to threaten dissolution of the country. and he holds fast. and he wins. and he dies.

and then there are the native americans, ecept their bad hands always find a bad draw card.

ok. go back to the old world.

upgoerfive - 10 Oct 2019 03:15:37 (#6 of 105)

Second for Raoul Wallenberg.

Balls of hardened chrome molybdenum steel.

Ebadlun - 10 Oct 2019 03:36:26 (#7 of 105)

well. speaking of cyrus and his successors: why not mention Militiades? and Marathon. who knows, maybe the west would have done wonderfully, with Greece made Persian. but I doubt many of us would want to presume that.

Hey, a huge amount of the Greek legacy was by Ionian philosophers under Persian rule.

But the Greeks vs Persia is part of the Western foundation myth, nurtured by the educated in the UK and US as their respective national foundation myths were formed.

It was a remarkable century - from the fall of Babylon, the hegemony of Persia, the flowering of Athens, the self- destruction of Greece, the recording of the Old Testament

Hilary - 12 Oct 2019 15:29:15 (#8 of 105)

Ancient Greek philosophy, history and literature is foundational to all the civilizations of anywhere west of the Indus. Ancient Persia, not so much. They had some nice sculpture, but that was heavily influence by the Greeks too. I suppose you could identify Zoroastrianism as the fons et origo of cosmic dualism and its philosophical offshoots, but that way of thinking is very unfashionable these days, though arguably overly so.

HouseOfLametta - 12 Oct 2019 15:36:19 (#9 of 105)

Larry Walters

donttellhimpike - 12 Oct 2019 15:43:10 (#10 of 105)

Stanislav Petrov.

Petrov was the duty officer at the command center for the Oko nuclear early-warning system when the system reported that a missile had been launched from the United States, followed by up to five more. Petrov judged the reports to be a false alarm,[1] and his decision to disobey orders, against Soviet military protocol,[2] is credited with having prevented an erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack on the United States and its NATO allies that could have resulted in large-scale nuclear war.

Tadagee - 12 Oct 2019 20:49:10 (#11 of 105)

On the anniversary of her execution probably should mention Edith Cavell.

HerrWalrus - 12 Oct 2019 22:12:36 (#12 of 105)

That Polish guy who broke into Auschwitz to establish how bad things really were.

HerrWalrus - 12 Oct 2019 22:13:45 (#13 of 105)

Witold Pelechi (spelling?)

Bernadette43 - 12 Oct 2019 22:15:40 (#14 of 105)

Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Frank Paiz and Roaul Castro.

Pheeep - 12 Oct 2019 22:51:28 (#15 of 105)

Admiral Cochrane:,_10t

xDiggy - 12 Oct 2019 22:58:52 (#16 of 105)

A still living candidate - Gorbachev. Someone who contemplated the ruin of everything he had spent his life believing in politically, and accepted it where his predecessors had put tanks on the streets.

SinnerBoy - 12 Oct 2019 23:02:46 (#17 of 105)

He's despised in the former Soviet Union. Surprised me, but they think that he's a traitor, who ruined it

So that they could have independent republics.

xDiggy - 12 Oct 2019 23:06:06 (#18 of 105)

It doesn’t surprise me. But I think he’s a genuinely great figure, 30 years on from 1989.

solomongursky - 12 Oct 2019 23:14:35 (#19 of 105)

Gino Bartarli, saved 700 jews in WW2:

Several times Bartali was stopped and searched by German authorities. He deflected suspicion by talking about cycling and asked them not to touch his bicycle since it was specially calibrated for maximum speed. Impressed by Bartali’s fame, officials complied with his request and the secret compartment was never discovered.

DonkeyOT - 22 Oct 2019 18:40:24 (#20 of 105)

As a life-long Labour voter the last thing I would want to be described as is an apologist for Fulgencio Bautista, but Bernadette43 #14 has got to be having a joke hasn't she?

Oh and it's Frank País btw.

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