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Started by DarthBane on Sep 4, 2021 6:14:30 AM
Was West Berlin legally a part of West Germany?

I know the story…Berlin was divided into Soviet, American, British and French zones after WW2. As was the rest of Germany. However, when the occupied Allied sectors of the West united to form West Germany, was West Berlin likewise thrown in with that lot? I know that Soviet East Berlin was annexed so that the GDR could make it the capital city. So was West Berlin likewise annexed to the FRG, despite the occupation zones still being there? I know the city sent non voting delegates to Bonn, had tax incentives, and young people living there couldn’t be drafted into the military, so legally, was West Berlin incorporated as part of West Germany, as a part of its territory?

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FGBFGB - 11 Sep 2021 17:55:16 (#2 of 19)

By not being a part of the Federal Republic, but remaining occupied territory under the military governance of France, the UK and the USA.

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barkis - 11 Sep 2021 17:57:54 (#4 of 19)

My father was a member of the British army, spending a lot of his postings in W. Germany. I remember a family visit to Berlin when I was about 10 and I definitely thought it was separate from W. Germany. For one thing I think British army personnel and families used a special currency whereas in W. Germany we used D. Marks.

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OneOfOne - 11 Sep 2021 18:02:58 (#6 of 19)

What did your last googlebitch die of?

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OldLefty - 11 Sep 2021 18:06:49 (#8 of 19)

West Germany didn't recognise East Germany until 1973, so legally, at least as far as the Federal Republic was concerned, the Democratic [sic] Republic didn't exist. Presumably that meant that, legally, West Germany regarded the whole of East Germany as part of its territory.

FGBFGB - 11 Sep 2021 18:07:48 (#9 of 19)

And the bits annexed by Poland and the USSR.

Atticus - 11 Sep 2021 18:08:22 (#10 of 19)

It became part of the Republic ​when the Allied occupation ended in 1949 but had a special /complex status until Unification.

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barkis - 11 Sep 2021 18:17:17 (#12 of 19)

#7

It may be this I remember:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknotes_of_the_Bri
tish_Armed_Forces


The piece doesn't say why they kept printing them till 1972 but I suspect it was for W. Berlin.

FGBFGB - 11 Sep 2021 18:24:21 (#13 of 19)

I read somewhere that Allied troops were allowed - and encouraged - to travel around East Berlin in uniform. Presumably Soviet troops had the same rights re the western sectors, though one wonders how many were able to exercise them.

barkis - 11 Sep 2021 18:31:05 (#14 of 19)

#13

That's true. I remember reading a piece in the army newspaper (it may have been called The Soldier) advising people to look out for soviet vehicles but saying they were entitled to be there as long as they kept away from restricted areas.

As a courtesy the permission was extebded to families, so the wives of Russian generals were able to go shopping in the decadent west. It was under that rule that I and the rest of the family were able to go through Checkpoint Charlie and see E. Berlin. I was too young to understand why my older brothers found that exciting.

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DarthBane - 14 Sep 2021 03:02:05 (#17 of 19)

So it was aligned with the German Federal Republic and yet not really part of it, is that a fair statement?

brooklyn - 15 Sep 2021 17:36:07 (#18 of 19)

here is a once-secret CIA view on the question, from 1960:

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_000039763
1.pdf

Atticus - 15 Sep 2021 18:44:34 (#19 of 19)

#17

Part of the Republic but misaligned is perhaps a better formulation.

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