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Started by 1OffManMental on Jun 3, 2013 8:39:52 PM
It's all kicking off in Turkey

Anyone else noticed?

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FestinaLente - 03 Jun 2013 20:50:21 (#1 of 2236)

I read this today.

http://defnesumanblogs.com/2013/06/01/what-is-happenning-in-istanbul/

It's going to be bad.

1OffManMental - 03 Jun 2013 20:54:51 (#2 of 2236)

Sounds like it already is pretty bad.

FestinaLente - 03 Jun 2013 21:00:02 (#3 of 2236)

No kidding.

HolgerDanske - 03 Jun 2013 21:01:54 (#4 of 2236)

It's also not how you press for change in a democracy.

TauCeti - 03 Jun 2013 21:06:03 (#5 of 2236)

democracy? where? where??

HolgerDanske - 03 Jun 2013 21:07:26 (#6 of 2236)

If they want change, it comes through the ballot box, not by how they're going about it now.

FestinaLente - 03 Jun 2013 21:09:35 (#7 of 2236)

This started as a protest against a building project. How would voting next year (or whenever) stop the bulldozers today?

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TauCeti - 03 Jun 2013 21:11:10 (#9 of 2236)

The Kurds want democratic change but the Turks wont let them; so much for democracy

also about the latest, if the people do not want something how else to stop the bulldozers?

HolgerDanske - 03 Jun 2013 21:12:37 (#10 of 2236)

BUt what if they feel all the available options are the same, and don't feel able to vote for any of them?

I feel that way, but most people don't. And I have to accept that and get on with my life. It's still a minority of Turks, by a long way, who are protesting.

1OffManMental - 03 Jun 2013 21:19:25 (#11 of 2236)

Hmmm, I'm not convinced that the protestors are the baddies in this particular case.

HolgerDanske - 03 Jun 2013 21:20:56 (#12 of 2236)

There's no baddies and goodies, though, however the media likes to spin it. When Syria first kicked off, we were tacitly told that the rebels were the good guys and Assad's lot were the bad guys. Sundry human rights violations later, and it starts looking less definite.

bigdave82 - 03 Jun 2013 21:21:48 (#13 of 2236)

If they want change, it comes through the ballot box, not by how they're going about it now.

Heh you cheeky scamp

1OffManMental - 03 Jun 2013 21:23:29 (#14 of 2236)

however the media likes to spin it.

I'm mostly seeing unarmed women being sprayed point blank with tear gas.

I've not seen anything on any particular "media" so I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting.

HerrWalrus - 03 Jun 2013 21:24:06 (#15 of 2236)

It'll blow over.

HolgerDanske - 03 Jun 2013 21:24:29 (#16 of 2236)

I've not seen anything on any particular "media" so I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting.

That it's more complex than we're being told.

FestinaLente - 03 Jun 2013 21:26:38 (#17 of 2236)

We're not being told much of anything. Where's the world media? For that matter, where's the Turkish media?

1OffManMental - 03 Jun 2013 21:41:50 (#18 of 2236)

than we're being told.

What have you been told then? All I've seen is a lot of photos and some excitable blog posts that suggest that something has been kicking off. Oh and that unarmed women are being sprayed point blank with tear gas.

HolgerDanske - 03 Jun 2013 21:42:43 (#19 of 2236)

What have you been told then?

That some people have been shouting about being the heirs to Ataturk and that it all sounds secular and very inspiring.

1OffManMental - 03 Jun 2013 21:43:30 (#20 of 2236)

I've heard nothing of the sort. Link?

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