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Started by boiade on Nov 28, 2013 12:31:33 AM
Viva il Papa
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GrrrIbdis - 28 Nov 2013 00:33:36 (#1 of 700)

I deeply fear that this one will be promoted to sainthood before his time, at this rate...

savernake - 28 Nov 2013 07:02:39 (#2 of 700)

Great guy. As a Catholic I've waited all my lifetime for a Pope like this.

Let us hope and pray he has time to put through his reforms.

Especially hopeful is his drive, with the head of the Orthodox Church, to bring peace and reconciliation to the Middle East.

savernake - 28 Nov 2013 07:21:02 (#3 of 700)

Extract from his new Evangelium Gaudium:

No to an economy of exclusion

53. Just as the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say “thou shalt not” to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills. How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion. Can we continue to stand by when food is thrown away while people are starving? This is a case of inequality. Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape. [...]

54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. [...]

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/pop
e-francis-denounces-economic-inequality-consumerism/619/

SatelliteOne - 28 Nov 2013 08:46:55 (#4 of 700)

You've got to wonder how exactly the Catholic Church ended up electing this guy as the Pope. The previous one, Palpatine I, was the biggest reactionary cunt available. His subsequent resignation and the election of this guy hint at systemic shifts within the Church of Rome.

Perhaps they're trying to preempt the law suits for enabling paedophiles in the US and Germany.

savernake - 28 Nov 2013 09:17:04 (#5 of 700)

Ratzinger, for all his faults, back in the late 80's, can't remember its name, did a treatise quite accurately predicting the result of neo-liberal economics, and how it was an unsustainable system. He also stood out against the Libyan fiasco, as his predecessor opposed the Iraq War for the beginning.

The Catholic Church is socially conservative - as most of its congregation, poor people, are too - but it has always been relatively progressive economically and generally for peace.

Ebadlun - 28 Nov 2013 09:20:39 (#6 of 700)

Apart from the crusades..

savernake - 28 Nov 2013 09:35:23 (#7 of 700)

And the Spanish Inquisition. Though the Italian Inquisition was much more civilised and used to invite people in for a chat and a glass of wine.

savernake - 29 Nov 2013 07:11:14 (#8 of 700)

Pope Ramps Up Charity Office to be Near Poor, Sick

When he was archbishop of Buenos Aires, Pope Francis was known to sneak out at night and break bread with the homeless, sit with them literally on the street and eat with them, as part of his aim to share the plight of the poor and let them know someone cared. That’s not so easy to do now that he’s pope.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pope-ramps-up-charity-office-to-be-near-poor-sick

savernake - 16 Dec 2013 18:42:48 (#9 of 700)

Rush Limbaugh denounces The Pope as a marxist.

Better start reading The Gospels, Rush:



Blessed are the poor in spirit,

for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.

Blessed are those who mourn,

for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,

for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,

for they shall be filled.

Blessed are the merciful,

for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart,

for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,

for they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,

for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.

The Beatitudes

savernake - 16 Dec 2013 22:03:11 (#10 of 700)

The Pope's response to Limbaugh's "Marxist" comment:

"The ideology of Marxism is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don't feel offended," Francis was quoted as saying. Defending his criticism of the "trickle-down" theory of economics, he added: "There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit. But what happens is that when it's full to the brim, the glass magically grows, and thus nothing ever comes out for the poor ... I repeat: I did not talk as a specialist but according to the social doctrine of the church. And this does not mean being a marxist.

AdrianNTierney - 16 Dec 2013 22:23:30 (#11 of 700)

Then there's the more apropos line in the Bible" You shall not muzzle the ox that treads your grain.".

savernake - 16 Dec 2013 22:48:37 (#12 of 700)

I think that quote can be used equally by the Left - the ox as the working class - as for it to mean entrepreneurs.

Since neither class existed in biblical times, though, its a bit irrelevant.

AdrianNTierney - 16 Dec 2013 23:07:48 (#13 of 700)

It's only irrelevant to those who wish it to be so.

Of course.

Ebadlun - 16 Dec 2013 23:58:21 (#14 of 700)

Blessed are the poor in spirit



I think I see the confusion here - the Republicans have confused 'poor' with 'mean'.

savernake - 17 Dec 2013 07:04:18 (#15 of 700)

It's only irrelevant to those who wish it to be so.

No, its only relevant to those who wish it to be so. Its wish fulfilment history.

Of course.

MaisonLazlique - 17 Dec 2013 07:24:18 (#16 of 700)

It was probably an ox.

saintmatt - 17 Dec 2013 08:05:48 (#17 of 700)

Blessed are the cheeses makers

AdrianNTierney - 17 Dec 2013 18:15:00 (#18 of 700)

No, its only relevant to those who wish it to be so. Its wish fulfilment history.

It's a single, short sentence. Its meaning is totally obvious. Hence the relevancy.

BartonFunk - 17 Dec 2013 18:52:00 (#19 of 700)

I'm a bit slow, and have no cattle in 500 BCE. Explain it for me.

I'm sick and tired of american christians who only ever quote the OT.

savernake - 17 Dec 2013 18:58:59 (#20 of 700)

OK, you go for some obscure and dodgy quote from the OT, I'll go for a lengthy and crystal clear quote from Our Lord himself laying down his teachings and values in the Sermon on the Mount.

Where did you find it? The Gordon Gecko Book of Dodgy Biblical Quotes?

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