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Started by HorseEasyEast on Jan 22, 2014 2:08:30 PM
WTF Is Going On In Kyiv?

What are these protests about? What's going on? All I can see are feeds of crazy fighting between police and others.

moonriver - 22 Jan 2014 15:52:56 (#1 of 12652)

MaisonLazlique - 22 Jan 2014 15:57:55 (#2 of 12652)

Yes, I was accidentally reading a Polish newspaper earlier, and they were talking about the "Civil War in the Ukraine".

tasselhoff - 22 Jan 2014 15:59:24 (#3 of 12652)

From the link in #1: There is little doubt that Viktor Yanukovych's rule is corrupt. It stands for the interests of the richest few in Ukraine's highly unequal society

Isn't that the same as virtually EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD?

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HorseEasyEast - 22 Jan 2014 16:04:19 (#5 of 12652)

Tass #2 It's new to the Ukranians, and they don't seem to like it.

HorseEasyEast - 22 Jan 2014 16:11:52 (#6 of 12652)

seems it's most prudent not trust anyone around this.

Lento_ - 22 Jan 2014 16:19:54 (#7 of 12652)

Roughly speaking, the government there is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They've been tentatively making friendly noises towards the EU for a while now, and there was a trade deal in the offering. Russia was not happy about this though, as they see the Ukraine as being in their sphere of influence, and so they persuaded (AKA blackmailed through threat of raising gas prices) Ukraine to sign a deal with them instead.

What makes this such a touchy issue is that Ukraine is quite a divided country between those who are pro-Russian, and those who want to see the country become more westernised. It's roughly the same split which ended up on opposite sides of the Orange revolution and subsequent political shenanigans, so this is more than just about "be friendly to the EU or not".

sciroco - 22 Jan 2014 16:21:12 (#8 of 12652)

Ukraine: 3 protesters dead amid clashes with police in Kiev

MaisonLazlique - 22 Jan 2014 16:21:58 (#9 of 12652)

I say! That Al Jazeera has some bracing below the line commentators!

solomongursky - 22 Jan 2014 16:54:46 (#10 of 12652)

solomongursky - 22 Jan 2014 22:03:58 (#11 of 12652)

Poland and Ukraine.

In 1990, according to the World Bank, their GDPs per capita were similar, as were their mortality rates. Now with Poland in the EU, its GDP is more than three times greater than that of Ukraine and Poles can expect to live more than five years longer than Ukrainians. Today Poland’s population is more or less the same as in 1990 but aging Ukraine has lost six million people, more than 11 percent of its 1990 population.

rgtstoppedcounting - 22 Jan 2014 22:33:17 (#12 of 12652)

I was accidentally reading a Polish newspaper earlier

As you do.

Intowntonight - 23 Jan 2014 04:04:01 (#13 of 12652)

Ukraine is basically two counties', religiously, linguistically and nationally. A remnant of the 1945 settlement.

We are in a time of states splitting up---- Czech/Slovakia, the Balkans, who knows Syria,& Iraq, Scotland, & Catalonia.

solomongursky - 25 Jan 2014 18:09:08 (#14 of 12652)

Intowntonight - 26 Jan 2014 02:15:07 (#15 of 12652)

Wow------the first revolution with a colour consultant

solomongursky - 26 Jan 2014 10:42:30 (#16 of 12652)

Been a long, cold night on the barricades:

Intowntonight - 26 Jan 2014 10:57:51 (#17 of 12652)

Where do you think it will end ?

TheVoiceOfReason - 26 Jan 2014 11:00:50 (#18 of 12652)

A Tiananmen Square ending, I fear.

solomongursky - 26 Jan 2014 11:04:23 (#19 of 12652)

The cops withdrew to a building then got surrounded;

The crowd overwhelm them then..let them go. That footage is terrifying but once the crowd overpower the police they let them go with some jeers and arse-kicking. Dunno what Ukrainian cops get paid but the anger of the crowd seems to evaporate, the mob and the cops are both getting screwed.

HelenDamnation - 26 Jan 2014 11:29:33 (#20 of 12652)

A friend who lives in Kiev was telling me about this before Christmas. The police are bussed in from outside the city, so that they are less likely to join the protesters. They are paid almost nothing and can't afford to eat, which is why the anger directed at them by the demonstrators is intermittent and contradictory - the demonstrators and their supporters have been feeding them and in some cases providing them with clothes.

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