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Started by jobi258 on Jul 2, 2014 11:10:17 PM
Islamophobia and other Orwellian attempts at silencing debate

Fear of fundamentalist Islamic imperialism is of course entirely rational, but labelling it with the derogatory term "Islamophobia" is a conscious attempt to suppress discussion of the issue, in exactly the way that Orwell predicted in 1984.

Doubleunplusgood

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Jacob_Richter - 02 Jul 2014 23:24:00 (#1 of 3687)

No-one is ever allowed to criticise Islam .....ever.

Fact.

Take this talkboard, for example, no threads hostile to Islam whatsoever. Not allowed.

1OffManMental - 03 Jul 2014 00:27:59 (#2 of 3687)

Apart from this one.

Orwellian doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

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broforsure - 03 Jul 2014 01:34:58 (#4 of 3687)

Not one is allowed to criticize the Islamic extremists or the flavors of Islam they practice with out accusation it being applied to every Muslim. Which isn't the case at all.

But the fact of the matter is that there are some 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If "just a minority of 10%" can be considered extremists that isn't something that can be ignored.

The majority of Muslims that don't want to be grouped with that minority should be very interested in discussion on how to deal with the issues created by that minority as it's going to impact them by association otherwise if they're silent.

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boiade - 03 Jul 2014 01:55:21 (#6 of 3687)

Not one is allowed to criticize the Islamic extremists

No one is allowed to criticize Jewish extremists, your ilk accuses them of antisemitism.

Biggles - 03 Jul 2014 02:30:06 (#7 of 3687)

The majority of Muslims that don't want to be grouped with that minority should be very interested in discussion on how to deal with the issues created by that minority as it's going to impact them by association otherwise if they're silent.

And far too many are very, very silent on the issue.

brooklyn - 03 Jul 2014 02:59:43 (#8 of 3687)

<<Take this talkboard, for example, no threads hostile to Islam whatsoever. Not allowed.>>

jacob, I find that an odd comment. on several levels.

first, have you ever tried to start such a thread -- whatever "hostile to Islam" means -- and found it squelched?

second, have you ever seen a thread similarly hostile, by whatever that definition turns out to be, to Christianity, Judaism, or whatever, that was allowed to stay, though the Islam one was tossed?

third, have you ever had a post on any thread deleted because it was hostile to muslims, and was like a similar post hostile to christians or jews or whatever that was not deleted (if reported)?

which is to say, what are you talking about?

broforsure - 03 Jul 2014 03:20:04 (#9 of 3687)

MrConsiderate - 03 Jul 2014 01:53:35 ( #5 of 8)

it's going to impact them by association otherwise

It hasn't already?



Exactly my point. If they just attempt to deny there is a problem within their religious base ... regardless that it is a "minority" then they are going to be criticized as whole.

That majority of Muslims who oppose that minority of Muslims who are using religion to justify acts of terrorism and hate need to speak out to differentiate themselves.



boiade - 03 Jul 2014 01:55:21 ( #6 of 8)

Not one is allowed to criticize the Islamic extremists

No one is allowed to criticize Jewish extremists, your ilk accuses them of antisemitism.



Aren't there enough threads about your bashing Jews? Try to stay on topic for a change.

broforsure - 03 Jul 2014 03:27:16 (#10 of 3687)

Yes Brook ... I have started threads to discuss the extremists in the Islamic world and have had them locked.

One for instance ... was on the silence of Muslims about the mass murders of Muslims for practicing the "wrong flavor" of Islam.

Is it offensive to want to understand why there is so much silence when there are people driving truckloads of explosives into crowded shopping areas or mosques ... detonating it and slaughtering dozens and dozens of men, women and children at a time for not practicing Islam the "right way"?

brooklyn - 03 Jul 2014 03:33:44 (#11 of 3687)

bro, are you agreeing w/ Jacob that this site refuses to allow reasonable criticism of islam?

but -- but -- your post just criticized those in Islam who should be criticized. are you making sense?

ah: an interesting, and at least tangentially related note: some say the NY Times is one-sided too. and yet guess what just popped up, in the op-ed articles:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/04/opinion/israel-reacts-to-the-kidnappings-in-the-west-bank.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&
amp;module=c-column-top-span-region&region=c-column-top-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region&_r=0


boiade, I wonder if this post will be deleted by the mods. if so, that would support your view. if not: well, then not.

go ahead, report me. see if my post and link get deleted.

jesus. (forgive the term). this is stupid. this forum has pro-muslim, anti-muslim, pro-jew, anti-jew, pro-US, anti-US (damn you) and everything you can imagine, pro and con. how silly, that some posters would complain of censorship. imho, this place is kinder to stupid positions than it should be.

mabrouka - 03 Jul 2014 15:30:25 (#12 of 3687)

Jacob was being sarcastic.

And jobi - you really need to get over it.

lusmeri1 - 03 Jul 2014 15:32:43 (#13 of 3687)

Brook, Jacob was being sarcastic.

lusmeri1 - 03 Jul 2014 15:33:06 (#14 of 3687)

Snap, mab.

broforsure - 03 Jul 2014 20:19:47 (#15 of 3687)

brooklyn - 03 Jul 2014 03:33:44 ( #11 of 14)

bro, are you agreeing w/ Jacob that this site refuses to allow reasonable criticism of islam?



Not sure whether it's the "site" or not. But for sure there are those posters on the board that lose their shit every time and report the threads to the mods ... who then shut the thread. Of course ... if you can find a thread that the discussion is starting with commentary on the actions of Islamic extremists feel free to point it out.

raymie - 03 Jul 2014 20:22:31 (#16 of 3687)

Brookie, brookie, brookie! Americans and irony

MestangloMan - 03 Jul 2014 22:26:29 (#17 of 3687)

Ok, clue of the month award does not go to Whom?

Fact.

Look, if this is used by someone other than me, or I am He, or Too Old to Wear Flares, etc., it is anything but a hard "fact." It is Brit-speak for making fun of us urgent, hardline seekers of Troot.

(((Shakes head in Brookie's direction)))

And, yes, it is early in my neck of the woods, but lovely Fried-day, all. It will be our Fourth in Merky.

brooklyn - 05 Jul 2014 01:11:56 (#18 of 3687)

<<Jacob was being sarcastic.>>

ok. but bro was not.

for example:

<<Not sure whether it's the "site" or not. But for sure there are those posters on the board that lose their shit every time and report the threads to the mods ... who then shut the thread. Of course ... if you can find a thread that the discussion is starting with commentary on the actions of Islamic extremists feel free to point it out.>>

ZimAgain - 05 Jul 2014 01:31:29 (#19 of 3687)

Doubleplusungood, ffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEy7rEEd0wU

lusmeri1 - 05 Jul 2014 01:35:34 (#20 of 3687)

I wouldn't describe jobi's thread header as 'Orwellian', but it is an inept attempt attempt to shift the semantic goalposts. 'Islamophobia' is a rather clumsy coinage, but its meaning is clear enough: it applies to a generalised dislike or fear of Islamand Muslims. It doesn't preclude a rational concern about violent Islamic fundamentalism.

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