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Started by SirensOfAcreLane on Jul 28, 2017 7:40:09 PM
What's going on in Venezuela?

There was an 'indepth' segment on Newsnight or BBC News last night, it appears to be in a more unstable than usual state. Links:

Why democracy itself is on the ballot in Venezuela

Russians jostle to secure money lent to Venezuela - The corporate world has either abandoned or sued the country, says John Dizard

Shadrack22 - 28 Jul 2017 19:51:59 (#1 of 162)

A disaster for Corbyn.

invicta - 28 Jul 2017 20:53:19 (#2 of 162)

Venezuela is coming apart at the seams. Caracas is the most violent city in the world, law enforcement has fallen apart, there are widespread shortages of the most basic food and consumer goods and a government which simply denies that anything is wrong. A military coup is likely, but it's quite likely that a public revolution will take place first.

machiavelli - 28 Jul 2017 20:56:59 (#3 of 162)

Maduro has run the place into the ground. In a fiddling-while-Rome-burns gesture, he hosts a salsa show on the radio.

Cartimandua - 28 Jul 2017 21:04:46 (#4 of 162)

Is anyone surprised? Can anyone name a successful Socialist country?

HouseOfLammo - 28 Jul 2017 21:17:09 (#5 of 162)


Cartimandua - 28 Jul 2017 21:18:10 (#6 of 162)

Capitalist I'm afraid.

HouseOfLammo - 28 Jul 2017 21:19:43 (#7 of 162)

Don't be.

AshburtonAbove - 28 Jul 2017 21:22:07 (#8 of 162)


Verdigris - 28 Jul 2017 21:22:16 (#9 of 162)

We could pick up some tips for living in a post-Brexit Blighty, I suppose.

tasselhoff - 28 Jul 2017 21:49:44 (#10 of 162)


Hotspur - 29 Jul 2017 00:33:14 (#11 of 162)

"Capitalist I'm afraid."

Then so is Venezuela

Hotspur - 29 Jul 2017 00:34:15 (#12 of 162)

Venezuela did ok under Chavez, alot of good was done (along with alot of graft and corruption).

It worked while he was in charge, his toadies however need putting up against a wall.

FluffyKitten - 29 Jul 2017 00:40:54 (#13 of 162)

I think it worked while the price of oil was high; when it came down, the whole plan fell apart.

opaz__ - 29 Jul 2017 00:48:16 (#14 of 162)

'Chavismo' - they're gamely keeping the brand alive.

machiavelli - 29 Jul 2017 05:39:53 (#15 of 162)

Chavez could carry it off, as he had flair. Maduro is an unloved wooden apparatchik.

TinyMcOtter - 29 Jul 2017 05:56:20 (#16 of 162)

A lot of good was done whilst Chavez was in power. Not that it was perfect, but it was a legitimate democracy which vastly improved the lot of poor people financially and educationally.

Price of oil went down. Corruption increased. Overseas meddling and internal political strife.

The opposition is largely led by right wing forces and the middle class, from what I've read. Not that people don't have legitimate reasons to oppose the current government.

The outcome is unknown. I'd not be surprised if there was a right wing coup attempt (funded and supported by the usual suspects). But the country appears divided and I can't see it settling down anytime soon.

SirensOfAcreLane - 30 Jul 2017 12:02:16 (#17 of 162)

That's a good summary, Tiny.

Price of oil went down. Corruption increased. Overseas meddling and internal political strife.

From a personal connection, which may sound a touch humblebrag, so I'll refrain, it's challenging to others to think in the manner of a society riven with sustained corruption over a period of decades. Venezuela is by no means the only nation to suffer from this constant companion of free and unfettered capitalism. What struck me on watching the news footage of events over there was the fragility of civil society, law and order, etc. Here I was witnessing another breakdown somewhere on the planet, and if I'm honest, some personal relief.

SirensOfAcreLane - 02 Aug 2017 10:23:38 (#18 of 162)

For other reasons, the spectre of the US taking unilateral action once again somewhere in the world in the coming months appears highly likely. Its old stomping grounds of the central and southern Americas might do nicely as a prelude to N.Korea.

The US holds Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro "personally responsible" for the safety of two seized opposition leaders, President Donald Trump has warned.

SirensOfAcreLane - 02 Aug 2017 10:27:03 (#19 of 162)


U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Monday used stronger language to discuss Maduro’s leadership.

“Yesterday's illegitimate elections confirm that Maduro is a dictator who disregards the will of the Venezuelan people,” Mnuchin said. “As the country's head of state, Maduro is directly responsible for Venezuela's descent and for the destruction of democracy.”

Will the U.S. military intervene?

Neither the Trump administration nor the U.S. military has offered any signs that military intervention in Venezuela is necessary, but Latin American media quoted a U.S. military report expressing concern over the “destabilizing” crisis in the region.

It is too soon to tell whether Trump or the U.S. Congress has the political appetite to intervene further. But the crisis in Venezuela is not likely to die down any time soon.

SirensOfAcreLane - 02 Aug 2017 10:34:11 (#20 of 162)

Neither the Trump administration nor the U.S. military has offered any signs that military intervention in Venezuela is necessary

That's the paper's view, which is at odds with a message (I hesitate to say 'the') from the WH last night, a BBC World or News Hardtalk interview with the far right wing British weirdo working for Trump, Sebastian Gorka. It was quite an extraoardinary interview for the man's behaviour too. To bring it back, the interview left me with the distinctly uneasy impression Trump's WH is poised for explosive action abroad.

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