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Policywatcher - 08 Aug 2018 22:14:28 (#1 of 83)

China demolishes hundreds of churches and confiscates Bibles during a crackdown on Christianity

machiavelli - 08 Aug 2018 22:20:25 (#2 of 83)

They're trying to wipe out Tibetan and Uighur culture too.

Pentecost - 08 Aug 2018 22:25:44 (#3 of 83)

China demolishes hundreds of churches and confiscates Bibles during a crackdown on Christianity

Brilliant if we could get the US to do that, too.

Hilary - 08 Aug 2018 22:36:55 (#4 of 83)

The present exponential but still subliminal growth of Christianity within China echoes its growth within the Roman Empire 1800-1900 years ago, up to and including these regular spasms of persecution, which will likely be just as effective as they were then.

Christianity reminds me of the jewel wasp which lays its egg inside the paralysed body of a cockroach which it keeps alive in order that it provide fresh meat for the larva which eats it from the inside. Eventually another jewel wasp emerges from the now distinctly dead carapace.

Arjuna - 08 Aug 2018 22:38:43 (#5 of 83)

Christianity seems to thrive better in nations where it is not the state religion

Ebadlun - 08 Aug 2018 22:41:47 (#6 of 83)

Roman persecutions of Christians were very rare, nothing compared to what the Christians did to the pagans after they got the upper hand.

Brunothecat - 08 Aug 2018 22:43:30 (#7 of 83)

Its the lions I feel sorry for. Imagine having to listen to all that preaching while you're trying to eat lunch.

Pentecost - 08 Aug 2018 22:43:51 (#8 of 83)

Just saying grace...

TRaney - 08 Aug 2018 22:47:26 (#9 of 83)

what the Christians did to the pagans after they got the upper hand.

Which period?

Hilary - 08 Aug 2018 22:47:43 (#10 of 83)

Roman persecutions of Christians were very rare, nothing compared to what the Christians did to the pagans after they got the upper hand.

It would be more accurate to say that the Roman state, once it had adopted Christianity as a state religion, persecuted pagans with the same alacrity as it had displayed when it was pagan and persecuted Christians. It is true that, Nero aside, systematic persecution of Christians Empire-wide was a fairly late development (mid third century IIRC).

Ebadlun - 08 Aug 2018 22:48:34 (#11 of 83)

No it wouldn't.

TRaney - 08 Aug 2018 22:49:11 (#12 of 83)

I don’t think that’s true Hilary. Persecution of Christians was intermittent and focused in a couple of periods.

Hilary - 08 Aug 2018 22:49:46 (#13 of 83)

Sorry, I edited.

TRaney - 08 Aug 2018 22:50:55 (#14 of 83)

But it wasn’t only late, it was particular to certain emperors.

Can’t remember but I think Diocletian.

TRaney - 08 Aug 2018 22:51:11 (#15 of 83)

With a later coda under Julian in the east.

Ebadlun - 08 Aug 2018 22:51:13 (#16 of 83)

And came nowhere near such events as the destruction of the Temple of Serapis, or the closing of the Acadamies, or the effective proscription of all non-Christian faiths.

Hilary - 08 Aug 2018 22:52:14 (#17 of 83)

I came to bury Christianity, not to praise it.

Pentecost - 08 Aug 2018 22:53:02 (#18 of 83)

example #11. I like assertions without backup, especially when they are opposed and still have no backup. It's what the interwebs was made for: arguments which slowly, after much point-scoring, nearly get to something that might be an objective base but then get side-tracked. Hundreds of posts, and no proper debate, just each poster not saying quite what they mean so that the thread drags on.

Wouldn't get me doing that. No way!

Hilary - 08 Aug 2018 22:53:50 (#19 of 83)

Anyway my real point was to suggest that we may be witnessing a slow Christianisation of China comparable to that of Rome two millennia ago.

Ebadlun - 08 Aug 2018 22:54:14 (#20 of 83)

Well, let's hope they're better behaved this time.

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