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Started by GyratingTrampoline on Jun 16, 2019 11:04:05 PM
I think these protests in Hong Kong are a big deal

In the long run the Chinese state will lose its omnipotence if it allows hk the level of independence they are demanding.

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TheSwearingBear - 17 Jun 2019 08:28:36 (#1 of 150)

Hopefully they don't turn out like the ones thirty years ago.

machiavelli - 17 Jun 2019 08:32:55 (#2 of 150)

Totalitarian regimes are prepared to kill as many as necessary to subdue challenges to the rulers. I believe that China views the handover agreement as a necessary, temporary evil - the extradition bill seems to be a clear sign of this impatience.

YorenInTheNorth - 17 Jun 2019 08:59:42 (#3 of 150)

The local regime appears to cracking under public pressure. Good luck to them.

mememe - 17 Jun 2019 09:02:25 (#4 of 150)

That always ends well. Just ask the people of Czechoslovakia or Poland.

machiavelli - 17 Jun 2019 10:52:35 (#5 of 150)

Guess they shouldn't have bothered.

Jacob_Richter - 17 Jun 2019 11:59:21 (#6 of 150)

the extradition bill seems to be a clear sign of this impatience.

The bill is a direct threat to political activists in HK who criticise China.

nac1001 - 17 Jun 2019 15:09:52 (#7 of 150)

I can see why HKers would not want to be extradited to China:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/chin
a-is-harvesting-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes

Intowntonight - 19 Jun 2019 11:10:13 (#8 of 150)

A friend who lives and works in HK ( US citizen, in a very senior position) said 5 years ago about the demos , "kids holding up the traffic"

Two years ago changed opinion totally - "very serious"

Geribaldi - 20 Jun 2019 01:40:25 (#9 of 150)

HK is going to be snuffed out of existence by China. The CCP doesn't like dissent of any kind. Pity, it's a great place. I've even considered living there.

chacqueschirac - 20 Jun 2019 01:50:47 (#10 of 150)

I think these protests in Hong Kong are a big deal



I think that you are wrong on that.

brooklyn - 20 Jun 2019 02:02:32 (#11 of 150)

why?

Geribaldi - 20 Jun 2019 03:39:40 (#12 of 150)

If you have never been to HK, you must go. It's only a 14 hour trip out of LAX and I recommend Cathay Pacific, a superb airline. They put US airlines to shame.

I prefer Hong Kong Island, Wanchai, but Kowloon (9 Dragons) isn't bad. The Peak, Disneyland, the Buddhist temples, Hong Kong Yan (people), the British infrastructure, it's a gem. It really is.

I love to go to Leeyoman for the seafood (pricey but good).

Read James Clavelle's "Tai Pan" and the sequel "Noble House", you will then understand HK. Brilliant novels.

HK is the center of Asia. The British created it out of nothing. Back when the British were innovative and great (in contrast to today).

kamo33 - 20 Jun 2019 04:18:39 (#13 of 150)

Although HK eventually being absorbed into the mainland might be the official long-term aim, it’s not going to happen anytime soon. China needs HK, as it’s where China exports its cash. There’s a huge “anti-corruption” drive in the mainland currently, with plenty of official financial scrutiny on display, but the rich can then hop across the border to the most free financial market and largest RMB market in the world.

solomongursky - 01 Jul 2019 17:32:15 (#14 of 150)

Live on BBC news now. The reporter is breathlessly ramping up the atmosphere "I've been in riots before and this is usually a sign that matters escalate!"

YorenInTheNorth - 01 Jul 2019 17:41:11 (#15 of 150)

Well the protestors are giving it a good go but how long will the central Government tolerate this level of dissent before they send in the tanks?

They must worry the mainlanders might be encouraged by this.

Tomnoddy - 01 Jul 2019 19:56:16 (#16 of 150)

Well, they know all about riding the tiger. Would it be easy to blackout the news from HK in the event of a military crackdown?

Tagyourit - 01 Jul 2019 20:01:03 (#17 of 150)

They must worry the mainlanders might be encouraged by this.

That assumes that many mainlanders are aware of it.

YorenInTheNorth - 01 Jul 2019 20:01:59 (#18 of 150)

There is a very vibrant media in Hong Kong but how much resistance they could/would put up against Martial Law is up for debate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_of_Hong_Kong

Once troops are in the facilities and the military are jamming transmissions it's game over.

But they might have a window to get the message out which would draw international media and government attention.

SharkPatoo - 01 Jul 2019 20:10:36 (#19 of 150)

I saw the news today which informed me that people were rioting in HK but not why. Which was a bit pointless.

YorenInTheNorth - 01 Jul 2019 20:15:20 (#20 of 150)

It's the anniversary of the handover and tempers are still running high over the abortive attempt to bring in an extradition (to China) law.

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