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Started by Tinymcsmithy on Nov 11, 2019 12:58:23 AM
Bolivia – classic right wing military coup, or…?

Key points/questions at this stage appear to be;

1. Disputed first round election results?

2. Military and police 'called on' Morales to step down?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/10/boli
vian-president-evo-morales-resigns-after-election-result-dispute

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Tinymcsmithy - 11 Nov 2019 01:02:30 (#1 of 143)

Bolivia appears to have been an example of one of the more succesful democratic socialist projects in the region in recent years. On the plus side:

"The percentage of people living in poverty in this landlocked South American state fell from 59.9% in 2006, when Morales first came to power, to 34.6% in 2017, with extreme poverty more than halving (from 38.28% to 15.2%) over the same period, according to government figures."

"Since Morales came to power in 2006, the country’s economy has grown at a steady 4.9% per year. For a country that had to be bailed out by its foreign lenders just one year before Morales became president, such macroeconomic success marks an incredible turnaround. But more remarkable still is that fact that this success is feeding through to the poorest segments of society."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/07/how-a-populist-president-helped-bolivias-poor-but-built-himself-a-palace

Tinymcsmithy - 11 Nov 2019 01:06:33 (#2 of 143)

On the minus side:

Morales attempting to lift term limits on the presidency appears to have not gone down well in many quarters.

Questions about election 'irregularities'.

The protests also appear to have an element of cities versus rural areas, as much as anything to do with left versus right (although these are often interlinked, of course).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/28/boli
vian-election-protests-santa-cruz-block-roads-la-paz

Tinymcsmithy - 11 Nov 2019 01:08:16 (#3 of 143)

I look forward to an intelligent, grown up discussion, with well thought out viewpoints expressed on all sides.

machiavelli - 11 Nov 2019 03:48:24 (#4 of 143)

I know next to bugger all about this but when I heard about him wanting to lift the term limits I did think "Hmmmm, another one".

It could be that Morales was well-intentioned and afraid that advances would be reversed once he leaves power but attempting to scrap term limits in a country that has them often does not go down well.

Tinymcsmithy - 11 Nov 2019 04:59:56 (#5 of 143)

Indeed. That said, he's no Maduro or even a Chavez. And it's still unclear if and to what degree the elections were actually dodgy or not. However, the fact that he's had to flee the country at the 'request' of the army and police, does not bode well.

machiavelli - 11 Nov 2019 05:15:46 (#6 of 143)

Unless you've got more recent news, he hasn't fled yet. If he does, that would indicate a threat to his safely rather than the police and army simply refusing to support him.

SinnerBoy - 11 Nov 2019 05:35:19 (#7 of 143)

Now that the security forces have taken over, can we expect a tweet storm from Trump, praising them for restoring democracy?

Tinymcsmithy - 11 Nov 2019 08:26:06 (#8 of 143)

He's gone to Argentina, last I heard. Can't find a link now, it may have been speculation/misinformation.

Tinymcsmithy - 11 Nov 2019 08:30:48 (#9 of 143)

Now that the security forces have taken over, can we expect a tweet storm from Trump, praising them for restoring democracy?



I expect a Tweet storm, doubt it will be that coherent.

Tinymcsmithy - 11 Nov 2019 12:10:19 (#10 of 143)

The other thing that’s coming out is that Morales agreed to all the demands for a new election and with new international monitoring. There’s also no suggestion from the opposition that he would have lost the election.

This is looking more and more dodgy.

browserbutton - 11 Nov 2019 15:28:27 (#11 of 143)

Dominic Raab attacks Corbyn:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/11/r
aab-attacks-corbyn-over-support-for-ousted-bolivian-leader-evo-morales


"Jeremy Corbyn puts Marxist solidarity ahead of democracy."

nac1001 - 11 Nov 2019 22:33:25 (#12 of 143)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/11/boli
vians-fear-power-vacuum-evo-morales-resignation-splits-nation


The former Bolivian president Evo Morales has been granted asylum by Mexico, the country’s top diplomat has said, following the veteran socialist’s announcement on Sunday that he would resign.

Mexico’s foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, told reporters: “We will immediately proceed to inform Bolivia’s foreign ministry that under international law, it should offer safe conduct” to Morales.

Mexico had “decided to grant political asylum to Evo Morales in virtue of the urgent situation which he faces in Bolivia where his life and safety are at risk,” Ebrard added. The minister confirmed that Morales had accepted the asylum offer.

machiavelli - 11 Nov 2019 23:08:41 (#13 of 143)

Now that the security forces have taken over, can we expect a tweet storm from Trump, praising them for restoring democracy?

Hilary can give him Honduras tips.

Tinymcsmithy - 12 Nov 2019 00:47:50 (#14 of 143)

Whatever Morales did or didn’t do with regards to overstepping his authority, this is a military coup plain and simple.

He was democratically elected and has been forced out by undemocratic forces due to threats on his life and liberty.

But all the media is talking about is that he ‘stepped down after weeks of protest’.

AdrianNTierney - 12 Nov 2019 14:50:40 (#15 of 143)

He was democratically elected ...

Really?

Tinymcsmithy - 12 Nov 2019 17:15:00 (#16 of 143)

Several times. Is reality causing you problems?

machiavelli - 12 Nov 2019 17:16:32 (#17 of 143)

Last election looks shonky but surely the correct course is to annul result, appoint acting president, arrest suspects and re-run.

Tinymcsmithy - 12 Nov 2019 17:26:15 (#18 of 143)

Indeed. Morales had already offered to abide by new election rules, but military had other ideas.

AdrianNTierney - 12 Nov 2019 18:11:03 (#19 of 143)

Last election looks shonky but surely the correct course is to annul result, appoint acting president, arrest suspects and re-run.

And that was indeed the recommended path. But Evo shortcut that by "resigning".

Tinymcsmithy - 12 Nov 2019 18:47:10 (#20 of 143)

At the point of a gun.

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