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Started by chacqueschirac on Jun 27, 2020 9:38:40 PM
Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

“Both American and Afghan officials have previously accused Russia of providing small arms and other support to the Taliban that amounts to destabilizing activity, although Russian government officials have dismissed such claims as “idle gossip” and baseless.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/rus
sia-afghanistan-bounties.html?action=click&module=Top%20Storie
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“The revelation piles pressure on the UK to take robust action against the Kremlin amid continuing anger over the government’s delay in publishing a key report on Russian attempts to destabilise the UK.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/russ
ia-offered-bounty-to-kill-uk-soldiers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Jacob_Richter - 01 Jul 2020 11:00:03 (#1 of 110)

The bombshell report in the New York Times says there has been a major escalation by Moscow to undermine the White House and its coalition allies, including the UK, as President Trump seeks a peace deal with the Taliban.

Hang on, I thought the conspiracy theory was that Trump was in Putin's pocket. Is that not true then?

Also, if true, fancy arming Afghan fundamentalists against a foreign army in the country. I mean who the hell would do that sort of thing?

tasselhoff - 01 Jul 2020 11:03:20 (#2 of 110)

Didn't the CIA supply the mujehedeen(sp?) with anti-helicopter missiles and all sorts of other goodies when the Russians were mired in Afghanistan? What's the difference?

Moschops - 01 Jul 2020 11:26:00 (#3 of 110)

I don't think the Americans have 'officially' invaded Afghanistan have they?

browserbutton - 01 Jul 2020 11:31:20 (#4 of 110)

fancy arming Afghan fundamentalists against a foreign army in the country. I mean who the hell would do that sort of thing?

Alexander the Great?

chacqueschirac - 01 Jul 2020 11:47:55 (#5 of 110)

I don't think the Americans have 'officially' invaded Afghanistan have they?



What is an ‘inofficial’ invasion?

FleurDuMal - 01 Jul 2020 11:49:03 (#6 of 110)

Covert operations.

AbuEman - 01 Jul 2020 11:49:16 (#7 of 110)

A short visit of 17 plus years

chacqueschirac - 01 Jul 2020 11:49:35 (#8 of 110)

Abu wins.

virgil5 - 01 Jul 2020 12:01:57 (#9 of 110)

Flattering that they were worried enough about US troops to try and pay the Taliban off to kill them.

Also doesn't say much about the Taliban fight back potential if you have to offer them money to do what they're supposed to be succeeding in doing anyway.

It's a war zone. People try to make a buck in real world SHOCKER :-)

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Dementor - 01 Jul 2020 12:42:21 (#11 of 110)

What's the difference?

They were calling Russia a bunch of c***s at the time, and not trying to invite them back into the G7.

You don’t aid an enemy while he’s trying to kill your troops.

brooklyn - 01 Jul 2020 12:44:20 (#12 of 110)

<<Didn't the CIA supply the mujehedeen(sp?) with anti-helicopter missiles and all sorts of other goodies when the Russians were mired in Afghanistan? What's the difference?>>

tass, the complaint is not that Russia is providing arms to the Taliban.

<<Hang on, I thought the conspiracy theory was that Trump was in Putin's pocket. Is that not true then?>>

it is indeed the theory. Trump's failure to react is quite consistent with it. and the theory certainly is not that Putin is in Trump's pocket.

tasselhoff - 01 Jul 2020 12:45:27 (#13 of 110)

tass, the complaint is not that Russia is providing arms to the Taliban

I know. Directly supplying arms is even worse.

brooklyn - 01 Jul 2020 12:48:24 (#14 of 110)

worse than bounties for scalps of opponents of a particular nationality? hey, some will think that's no big deal. fine. it seems a lot of Americans feel differently about it. and they are a bit concerned that the president doesn't seem to care.

virgil5 - 01 Jul 2020 13:02:36 (#15 of 110)

doesn't seem to care

Not surprising from a "Commander-In-Chief" with zero real world military experience who would rather have his troops organize a big parade in his honor for a reelection photo op.

In such a case, real world military people will follow orders, but only with the bare minimum it takes to keep themselves and their team alive.

Nothing surprising about Russians or anybody else offering bounties on US troops.

They will do their jobs for each other, not for somebody who turns out to be just another clueless grandstanding bozo who deserves no respect.

tasselhoff - 01 Jul 2020 13:06:40 (#16 of 110)

Effective material aid in killing people is obviously more dangerous than financial aid. That's indisputable.

tasselhoff - 01 Jul 2020 13:07:38 (#17 of 110)

The fact that Trump doesn't care is a different thing. They must have good Kompromatt.

FrankieTeardrop - 01 Jul 2020 13:08:11 (#18 of 110)

The fact that Trump doesn't care is a different thing.


That's the real story, Putin being an arsehole is just a given

brooklyn - 01 Jul 2020 13:16:26 (#19 of 110)

<<Effective material aid in killing people is obviously more dangerous than financial aid. That's indisputable.>>

a financial incentive can lead to deaths that would not otherwise occur. one can talk about whether X is or isn't more dangerous than Y. one can talk about whether X is or isn't more immoral than Y.

but, as I say: Americans seem to care about the bounties -- even the toadie republicans. the president doesn't seem to care.

tasselhoff - 01 Jul 2020 13:26:48 (#20 of 110)

The material effect of the US supply of rockets was huge. I'm not sure offering bungs to the Taliban had anywhere near that sort of impact.

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