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Started by SatelliteOne on Nov 11, 2021 12:40:02 PM
The man who brought down South Africa's apartheid regime has died.
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Tinymcsmithy - 11 Nov 2021 12:47:32 (#1 of 25)

Very generous thread header.

SatelliteOne - 11 Nov 2021 13:24:21 (#2 of 25)

He might have been a lot of things, but he DID release Mandela and help pave the way for a peaceful, and it was far more peaceful than everyone expected it to be, transition of power. The man deserves a bit of recognition.

Also, dying of mesothelioma, that's got to suck.

dreams99 - 11 Nov 2021 13:26:18 (#3 of 25)

de Klerk, ffs.

SatelliteOne - 11 Nov 2021 13:28:48 (#4 of 25)

whatevs ffs

Tinymcsmithy - 11 Nov 2021 13:29:27 (#5 of 25)

#2

How much of that was seeing the writing on the wall - internally and internationally ? Quite a lot, I’d say.

DesEsseintes - 11 Nov 2021 13:34:09 (#6 of 25)

You could argue the same about Ian Paisley and peace in Ireland I suppose - that he was the man that brought it about.

rearranged - 11 Nov 2021 13:38:55 (#7 of 25)

Quite likely that he saw it was inevitable, but he worked to make the change as smooth as he could.

A South African colleague of mine, who met him a couple of times, said he was detested by a lot of the hard liners who would go out of their way to snub him or make life difficult for him, even decades later.

My colleague is an interesting bloke to listen to about the end of apartheid. He was about 17 when Mandela was released, and on that day, his response was, "who?"

He said the propaganda was such that Mandela was simply never mentioned in the media, and his older relatives abd acquaintances who did know who he was had never spoken of him

Peacock - 11 Nov 2021 13:40:47 (#8 of 25)

de Clerk , really? FFS

Tinymcsmithy - 11 Nov 2021 13:44:55 (#9 of 25)

He said the propaganda was such that Mandela was simply never mentioned in the media, and his older relatives abd acquaintances who did know who he was had never spoken of him.



That’s interesting. Very 1984.

SatelliteOne - 11 Nov 2021 13:49:18 (#10 of 25)

For sure, someone had to make the first step.

FW de Klerk did.

He gave up control of a ruling government to a disenfranchised majority with a minimal amount of violence. It's why he was a joint recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize.

DesEsseintes - 11 Nov 2021 13:50:36 (#11 of 25)

I'm not sure a lot anywhere else would have known about Mandela apart from the Special AKA song.

A few people who'd read Cry the Beloved Country or come across the Anti-Apartheid Movement and the boycotts maybe.

Peacock - 11 Nov 2021 13:51:19 (#12 of 25)

much truth there, he realized the writing was on the wall for apartheid

SatelliteOne - 11 Nov 2021 13:52:24 (#13 of 25)

Please to be fucking off troll.

SatelliteOne - 11 Nov 2021 13:53:38 (#14 of 25)

Obvs #11

gordonthemoron - 11 Nov 2021 13:55:23 (#15 of 25)

He did what was necessary, and most importantly, he wasn't PW Botha

DesEsseintes - 11 Nov 2021 14:01:29 (#16 of 25)

People in general internationally knew about the sports boycotts, Biko and that. Whether they really knew about Mandela before he became pop culture and Winnie was more visible I'm not convinced

Peacock - 11 Nov 2021 14:01:54 (#17 of 25)

I'm not sure a lot anywhere else would have known about Mandela apart from the Special AKA song.

you sure, Des?

DesEsseintes - 11 Nov 2021 14:07:21 (#18 of 25)

Your political class has a vastly inflated sense of how many people follow its machinations.

Peacock - 11 Nov 2021 14:18:17 (#19 of 25)

didnt students boycotts of barclays help a little?

DesEsseintes - 11 Nov 2021 14:21:00 (#20 of 25)

Possibly, that and glueing up the cash machines.

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