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Started by CinqueCento on Jul 4, 2013 2:27:07 PM
Feminism - Past, Present and Future

Let a hundred flowers bloom

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CinqueCento - 04 Jul 2013 14:28:39 (#1 of 5123)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2013/jul
/03/angela-gheorghiu-roberto-alagna-claims


"She claims that "people" and "colleagues" (no names are mentioned) warned her against him, but that because she was in love she was "completely blind". "I pretended too much," she adds, "and I suffered too much. Now it's time to be really honest." Alagna's agent, meanwhile, has dismissed her claims as "idiocy"."

But the author, Tim Ashley, claims "I must point out at the outset that it was not my intention in this article to rubbish Ms Gheorghiu's claims".

I'm so angry I could spit.

blaithin - 04 Jul 2013 14:44:38 (#2 of 5123)

WTF? That's a fairly outrageous article.

I love Roberto Alagna's voice - I expect Mr Ashley loves it more than he hates domestic violence.

StillCiars - 04 Jul 2013 14:44:46 (#3 of 5123)

That is absolutely rage-inducing, Cinq.

On Feminism Past - I recently finished reading a biography of Eva Gore Booth by Sonya Tiernan, which is well worth a read. She was an extraordinary woman, who's been overshadowed by her extraordinary sister, but well deserving of her own biography.

And for any North-West feminists, this event in Manchester next Saturday looks interesting:

http://equalsspeeddebate.eventbrite.co.uk/

blaithin - 04 Jul 2013 14:45:55 (#4 of 5123)

Oh, she was indeed a really interesting woman, Ciars. I shall have to have a look out for that.

RoseRed - 04 Jul 2013 14:47:34 (#5 of 5123)

The Eva Gore Booth book sounds very interesting. I know nothing about her.

blaithin - 04 Jul 2013 14:52:15 (#6 of 5123)

I'm very pleased that I got to visit Lissadell before the owners closed it to the public following a row over rights of way on the land. It was a great privilege to see the Great windows open to the south.

mazylou - 04 Jul 2013 15:42:54 (#7 of 5123)

I remember it from the seventies when Miss Gore-Booth did the showing round. I shall have to put that on my little list.

Rockpool - 04 Jul 2013 16:05:40 (#8 of 5123)

Whether she likes it or not, Gheorghiu has allowed herself to take on and seemingly to enjoy the stereotypical persona of the prima donna as volatile, monstrous and badly behaved.

I detest how passive this is. In fact, I detest everything about this whole paragraph.

MaisonLazlique - 04 Jul 2013 16:24:10 (#9 of 5123)

What sort of fucking article is that?

Fuck sakes.

Froggy - 04 Jul 2013 16:33:58 (#10 of 5123)

Gheorghiu's name is synonymous with attention-seeking, of which this, according to a response piece in the Telegraph, may well be another example.

You fucking what? Seriously?

That the initial response has varied from less than sympathetic to downright disbelieving, however, is due to Gheorghiu's temperamental past behaviour, which has done her infinitely more harm than good.

Ah, yes, it's her own fault. Who knew?

MaisonLazlique - 04 Jul 2013 16:34:35 (#11 of 5123)

Fucking vile shit. How does that get printed?

WibbleAgain - 04 Jul 2013 16:45:53 (#12 of 5123)

sticks head above parapet



Imho, Gheorghiu should have gone to the police, sue civilly for damages, etc., rather than tell the press in vague terms about domestic violence. Unless she wants public opinion to go against Alagna who has kept mumm. The press is not a good place for a trial on domestic violence, which is what she's trying to do. These are vague but serious allegations, after the divorce.

Alagna is obviously going to stick it out by keeping his mouth shut. What else is he supposed to do? Sue for libel? Go on Oprah and cry tears of penitence? It's too late to apologise to Gheorghiu, though he might/must have done in their reconciliation period, and quite possibly re-offended if what Gheorghiu alleges is true.

Tim Ashley as well Christiansen are asses. Who wins? No one but newspaper websites which get extra hits.

VeniVidiVicious - 04 Jul 2013 19:38:07 (#13 of 5123)

Imho, Gheorghiu should have gone to the police, sue civilly for damages, etc., rather than tell the press in vague terms about domestic violence.

You mean, she should shut up about it, if it can't be proven in a court of law?

WibbleAgain - 04 Jul 2013 19:40:41 (#14 of 5123)

No, she's free to talk about it in a free country, but there's going to be consequences she won't like, such as all and sundry expressing their views on the internet. But hey, she's a sleb, and any publicity is good publicity.

CinqueCento - 04 Jul 2013 20:23:55 (#15 of 5123)

But hey, she's a sleb, and any publicity is good publicity.

Do you think that " He's a sleb, and any publicity is good publicity" would apply to her allegedly abusing husband?

WibbleAgain - 04 Jul 2013 20:27:43 (#16 of 5123)

He's not the one talking to newspapers though. Are you suggesting they might be in cahoots?

Cordelia - 04 Jul 2013 20:30:30 (#17 of 5123)

Gheorghiu's name is synonymous with attention-seeking

Really? Not for me - and I'm an opera fan. And even if so, so fucking what? Unbelievable.

CinqueCento - 04 Jul 2013 20:32:29 (#18 of 5123)

No. I'm suggesting that dismissing allegations of domestic violence, without investigating them, as publicity seeking and, as this article seeks to do, sheer diva-ish-ness, is puerile, stupid and sexist.

And, IIRC, Saatchi didn't talk to newspapers either, but he did accept a caution.

WibbleAgain - 04 Jul 2013 20:35:25 (#19 of 5123)

As far as I can remember, mind it's a few hours ago, I didn't subscribe/endorse Tim Ashley's or Rupert Christiansen's take on this.

Otoh, if she's not publicity seeking about this alleged domestic violence, why was she talking to press about it? What else did she expect to get out of it except publicity?

CinqueCento - 04 Jul 2013 20:42:05 (#20 of 5123)

In her own words: “I was pretending too much and I suffered too much. Basta. Now it’s time to be really honest.”

And, maybe, to protect the next Mrs Alagna.

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