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Started by breakfast on Jan 3, 2018 11:52:12 PM
Owning the future

But more ambition is needed... towards a progressive ownership strategy capable of democratising capital at scale, giving people and communities a meaningful stake and say in the economy. IPPR’s new report, Capital Gains, sets out the case for change.

http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/owning-the-future/

https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/CEJ-capital-gains

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AdrianNTierney - 04 Jan 2018 19:05:07 (#1 of 21)

The only future you own is the future you create through your own choices.

The proposed wealth distribution here inherently limits the choices available to each individual. And if that's your conception of the ideal future, go for it!

uranrising - 05 Jan 2018 15:30:42 (#2 of 21)

The continuation of capitalism, and its essential component, take-overs, drifts constantly in the direction of cartels and monopoly, and consequently of limiting choices for individuals.

SheikYerbouti - 05 Jan 2018 15:31:56 (#3 of 21)

I wonder if Ant, like Ayn Rand, will end up living on the state and railing against the unfairness of the world.

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machiavelli - 06 Jan 2018 09:45:43 (#5 of 21)

I've seen the future, I can't afford it.

virgil5 - 06 Jan 2018 10:35:15 (#6 of 21)

ANT posts here until his next food stamps arrive.

mingmong - 06 Jan 2018 10:53:01 (#7 of 21)

#1 Any course of action which seeks to optimise the legacy we pass onto future generations will require some form of self-restraint, some sacrifice in terms of individual self-gratification. The ability to handle that fact, and respond to its implications, is the hallmark of an adult personality

Gotout - 06 Jan 2018 11:11:50 (#8 of 21)

As the wealth trickles down we'll all become more equal.

RosyLovelady - 06 Jan 2018 11:47:21 (#9 of 21)

Down with equality. It limits the scope of those who aspire to be socially mobile.

AdrianNTierney - 06 Jan 2018 16:01:55 (#10 of 21)

Down with equality.

Do let us know just how you plan to mandate and enforce "equality" of intellect, "equality" of interests, or "equality" of efforts.

After all, such mandated "equality" will ensure "equality" of outcomes. Correct?

virgil5 - 06 Jan 2018 16:41:24 (#11 of 21)

Don't be silly: the US Declaration of Independence wasn't saying everybody was created alike.

It was expressing the opinion that in a truly just society, that society should provide an equal opportunity for everybody to be able to exercise what was considered their natural right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

The individual was expected to be able to take that opportunity or not. Their call.

There was no "free lunch" involved.

AdrianNTierney - 06 Jan 2018 16:46:33 (#12 of 21)

Indeed, Virgil, you're spot on. But I was pointing out to such iconoclasts as Rosey that "equality" is a many-faceted subject, not necessarily one easily mandated to meet her subjective goals.

And, just a BTB, "food stamps" ain't "stamps" no more, for many years now.

virgil5 - 06 Jan 2018 16:52:03 (#13 of 21)

You remember back that far when they were like "stamps". Interesting.

How long have you been on them?

AdrianNTierney - 06 Jan 2018 17:17:47 (#14 of 21)

Virg - I worked as a cashier during part of my college years. Of course I remember "food stamps". When they WERE "stamps".

Pentecost - 06 Jan 2018 21:50:51 (#15 of 21)

But more ambition is needed... towards a progressive ownership strategy capable of democratising capital at scale, giving people and communities a meaningful stake and say in the economy.

Hits maybe four buttons in the management-speak bingo game.

Hilary - 06 Jan 2018 21:56:43 (#16 of 21)

I make it at least seven.

Ebadlun - 06 Jan 2018 22:39:20 (#17 of 21)

Equality of opportunity just doesn't happen from lax regulation, it actually requires rather a lot of state intervention and redistribution to ensure as equal an access as possible to education and healthcare.

But the rich bastards benefit too, from a healthy and educated workforce, so they should shut their entitled moaning faces, frankly.

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AdrianNTierney - 06 Jan 2018 23:00:17 (#19 of 21)

Equality of opportunity just doesn't happen from lax regulation, it actually requires rather a lot of state intervention and redistribution to ensure as equal an access as possible to education and healthcare.

"You vill NOT smoke!"

"You vill NOT drink!"

"You VILL learn your lessons! OR ELSE!"

"Und how do feel about zat, Villie?"

Ebadlun - 06 Jan 2018 23:09:08 (#20 of 21)

What's that got to do with, er, anything I said?

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