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Started by fenderstrat on Mar 20, 2018 9:21:24 AM
Medical ethics

More Harm than Good? The Moral Maze of Complementary and Alternative Medicine.

New book on Amazon.

If a person is A) poorly, B) receives treatment intended to make him better, and C) gets better, then no power of reasoning known to medical science can convince him that it may not have been the treatment that restored his health

(Medawar, P.B. (1969:19). The Art of the Soluble: Creativity and originality in science. Penguin Books: Harmondsworth).

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fenderstrat - 20 Mar 2018 09:21:47 (#1 of 64)

Reviewed here:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-ethics-of-cam-more-harm-than-good/

Tomnoddy - 20 Mar 2018 09:29:53 (#2 of 64)

Pretty damning. Confirms my view of chiropractic as a load of potentially dangerous cobblers.

Hilary - 20 Mar 2018 09:57:09 (#3 of 64)

I have heard stories of chiropractors who by applying pressure at the right point have completely cured a chronic (and highly disabling) pain which had gone on for many years and which conventional medicine had given up on. I have also heard stories of chiropractors who by applying pressure at the wrong point have killed people.

Being very gullible, I am inclined to believe both kinds of story.

Tenesmus - 20 Mar 2018 10:02:31 (#4 of 64)

Chiropractors in the USA are bonkers woo merchants, in the UK they tend to just clunk your joints a bit.

browserbutton - 20 Mar 2018 10:07:36 (#5 of 64)

A chiropractor could have your arm off!

Tomnoddy - 20 Mar 2018 12:14:40 (#6 of 64)

A chiropractor I met in Cambridge was a complete bundle of woo.

ChankNolen - 20 Mar 2018 12:16:15 (#7 of 64)

-10 points

SunkenTreasures - 20 Mar 2018 12:17:48 (#8 of 64)

I'd be interested to read of cases where a chiropractor has actually killed someone.

ChankNolen - 20 Mar 2018 12:18:34 (#9 of 64)

'Let's see if turning your head through 180 degrees helps'

HouseOfLametta - 20 Mar 2018 12:19:39 (#10 of 64)

“Your spine seems to be misaligned. I’ll just take it out and sort it on the bench”

Sabacious - 20 Mar 2018 12:20:57 (#11 of 64)

I think there have been at least 7 deaths in Canada alone as a direct result of chiropractic manipulation:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/chiropracti
c-adjustment-contributed-to-woman-s-death-que-coroner-concludes-1.641829


The usual cause is a strike brough on by damaging a blood vessel I believe.

fenderstrat - 20 Mar 2018 12:29:44 (#12 of 64)

http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/0
8/07/STR.0000000000000016


Warning from Heart Association. And yes - there have been deaths.

uranrising - 20 Mar 2018 14:11:00 (#13 of 64)

General warning

consensus limits use of "iatrogenesis" to adverse effects, possibly including, broadly, all adverse unforeseen outcomes resulting from medication or other medical treatment or intervention.

Cases of iatrogenesis include: side effects of possible drug interactions complications arising from a medical procedure or treatment medical errors negligence use of contaminated instruments anxiety or annoyance in the physician or treatment provider in relation to medical procedures or treatments unnecessary medical treatment resulting from a physician's decision ...

Professionals who may cause iatrogenic harm to patients include physicians, pharmacists, nurses, dentists, psychologists, psychiatrists, medical laboratory scientists and therapists. Iatrogenesis can also result from complementary and alternative medicine treatments.

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatrogenesis

Tenesmus - 20 Mar 2018 14:13:35 (#14 of 64)

ISTR in the good ole US of A people bringing along babies to be "aligned".

Delighted_User - 20 Mar 2018 14:30:48 (#15 of 64)

The thing about physicians, etc. whom you mention, Mr Rising, is that those practitioners actually do manage to cure people.

uranrising - 20 Mar 2018 15:01:09 (#16 of 64)

They are currently curing me, btw.

HouseOfLametta - 20 Mar 2018 15:04:52 (#17 of 64)

Kevin Bacon, there.

HorstVogel - 20 Mar 2018 15:06:23 (#18 of 64)

Chiropractors in the USA are bonkers woo merchants, in the UK they tend to just clunk your joints a bi



In Germany they tend to be bone manipulators too, the one I went to didn't solve the problem (very bad shoulder) but achieved some pain relief. I went on my brother's recommendation as his neck pain was solved by said chiropractor where conventional medicine didn't help (keep dropping ibuprofen).



Chiropractic is a private indulgence in Germany.

uranrising - 20 Mar 2018 15:15:20 (#19 of 64)

This discussion has led me to this discovery

Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine (eCAM) is an international peer-reviewed, Open Access journal

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/

Sabacious - 20 Mar 2018 15:19:19 (#20 of 64)

Yes but Hindawi and I.f. If 1.7

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