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Started by fenderstrat on Jun 23, 2018 10:49:04 PM
My friend's son is dead from drugs

His father found him in his bed this afternoon.

Just 18, and a lovely, warm-hearted boy. He had his troubles, as everyone does, but had just started work and told his mum that he was "going to have a happy life". We don't what the drugs were.

This has to stop. Legalise, regulate, protect.

Another father who lost his children has a lot to say.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/23/lo
st-both-sons-drugs-want-to-legalise

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fenderstrat - 23 Jun 2018 22:49:31 (#1 of 79)

This, from the link:

What Lakeman finds “impossible to get my head around” is the law’s refusal to apply the principle of harm reduction to drug use. “Every single other aspect of our lives is governed by trying to make things as safe as possible. The only thing we don’t do it with is drugs. And I can’t explain it. Nobody has looked at it logically.” When politicians do debate drug policy, decriminalisation is the most radical case a brave few will dare make, but as this would “still leave drugs in the hands of dealers”, to Lakeman it is pointless. To make drugs safer, he says, we will have to legalise them, and regulate their manufacture and sale through state-controlled pharmacies. “You don’t have to like the idea to accept that it’s probably a better option than what we’re actually doing.”

lusmeri1 - 23 Jun 2018 22:57:31 (#2 of 79)

I think the fact that drugs are illegal actually glamorises them.

Impedimenta - 23 Jun 2018 22:59:10 (#3 of 79)

I'm very sorry, fender. Devastating news.

fenderstrat - 23 Jun 2018 22:59:40 (#4 of 79)

I have a close relative who is 15 and has been dealing/delivering ketamine for local scallys. This stuff isn't going away and we have placed it in the control of criminals.

fenderstrat - 23 Jun 2018 23:02:04 (#5 of 79)

Thanks imp. I don't know where you go with this. First thing we did was find our son and be sure he was ok; then called all the parents of the kid's friends in case there was some bad spiked shit out there and others were at risk.

My wife was with his mom and saw him taken into the ambulance in a body bag. I don't know how you would ever recover from this.

xDiggy - 23 Jun 2018 23:03:13 (#6 of 79)

That guy who lost both his sons. Jesus. You cannot even begin to imagine.

brooklyn - 23 Jun 2018 23:08:47 (#7 of 79)

forgive me, but I think we need to know what the drug was. some drugs should be banned, and sale (at least) punished severely. others, not. it is wrong to think that all drugs are equally life-threatening. but some are extremely dangerous.

SheikYerbouti - 23 Jun 2018 23:14:27 (#8 of 79)

I'm pretty sure 'we' don't.

fenderstrat - 23 Jun 2018 23:15:47 (#9 of 79)

Brook. Yes, I get that - thanks; needs real thought. I think it likely that is was a combination, the pm will tell us. Easily available is K, coke, weed, NO2, opiates. Weed gets a pass, no known deaths.

You can't stop people wanting stuff. You can't stop them getting stuff. You might be able to control quality. You can certainly educate honestly. And if there was legal stuff, you'd not have spiking.

And we absolutely know that we are placing people at risk through prohibition.

hailesaladdie - 23 Jun 2018 23:16:37 (#10 of 79)

Fender, that's just awful. I can't even imagine. Strength to all concerned.

fenderstrat - 23 Jun 2018 23:17:23 (#11 of 79)

Thanks, all. It's devastating. Helpless.

fenderstrat - 23 Jun 2018 23:19:37 (#12 of 79)

His poor, poor mom is my wife's close friend. His father is the gentlest man and loved by all. There's nothing anyone can say. It'll never be alright.

phantlers - 23 Jun 2018 23:20:12 (#13 of 79)

So has there been a post mortem?

fenderstrat - 23 Jun 2018 23:20:31 (#14 of 79)

Not yet.

hailesaladdie - 23 Jun 2018 23:28:18 (#15 of 79)

Full disclosure: I'm a recovering addict, so my views are more tainted by addiction than pure recreation.

I can only agree that bringing things out of the shadows is the best way forward. It's not a miracle cure - you can do enough damage with alcohol and class Cs - but at least you can concentrate on helping people, not punishing them.

I think you're right that it'll never be OK - but each day makes life more liveable, impossible as that may sound now. There's nothing anyone can say, but just being there is often enough.

As I say, strength to all.

quartus - 23 Jun 2018 23:28:46 (#16 of 79)

I read that article this morning. Never for a moment imaged it would hit home quite so soon. Devastating for all, and though I lost my eldest brother in possibly similar circumstances many years ago, the effect on the parents can only be devastating. Whatever strength can be shared in times of such adversity, I wish it ...

WibbleAgain - 23 Jun 2018 23:32:01 (#17 of 79)

I'm so sorry to hear this, fenders. Don't know what else to say except that everyone will eventually get through this awful time. Please take care. xxx

Jacob_Richter - 23 Jun 2018 23:34:12 (#18 of 79)

Christ, fender, so sorry. Take care.

kvelertak - 23 Jun 2018 23:40:44 (#19 of 79)

Very sorry to hear of this, fender, bon courage à vous tous.

Tangent - 23 Jun 2018 23:41:31 (#20 of 79)

A horrific loss, and my sympathies (as well as agreement on policy).

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