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Started by GreenFuture on Jul 5, 2018 10:31:54 PM
Anthropological Perspectives Regarding The Internet

I'm asking for your own or for links really. It looks like the internet is going to be quite a big thing. We seem (according to esteemed guy in link) to have crossed over the line of 50% of the world having access.

I'm not sure we are evolutionarily equipped for the ramifications, but that might have been said about the printing press (Tim Snyder in link says that led to 150 years of war and vast section of European population being killed though)

This vid is but a small example, discussing some bleak political ramifications. Tim Snyder is a major historian on Stalin / Hitler by the way, very worth checking out.

How is the world webs changing our psychology, culture, politics and other stuff? Have we really got a grip of it or is it taking over faster than we can really digest?


mingmong - 05 Jul 2018 23:15:27 (#1 of 30)

There's been a long-running thing on R4 about this

Some interesting insights, but also quite a lot sloppy evo-psych Just-So stories. e.g. the average number on people's FB friendlists being equated to "the ideal size of a hunter-gather band"

But the overall thing is real. We are on the edge of an erupting volcano in terms of what this is doing to social relations (for better and for worse) - on a par with the print revolution, industrialisation etc.

TRaney - 05 Jul 2018 23:18:31 (#2 of 30)

Too much fucking perspective

Pentecost - 05 Jul 2018 23:35:30 (#3 of 30)

We don't need to be "evolutionarily equipped" to handle the internet, or anything else, we only need to remain evolutionarily equipped to handle its failure.

Jacob_Richter - 05 Jul 2018 23:37:06 (#4 of 30)

sloppy evo-psych Just-So stories. e.g. the average number on people's FB friendlists being equated to "the ideal size of a hunter-gather band"


HouseOfLametta - 05 Jul 2018 23:37:28 (#5 of 30)

Look at cats! Already playing the piano.

AdrianNTierney - 06 Jul 2018 01:20:45 (#6 of 30)

When the printing press was invented, religious literature became far more freely available. Which lead to greater literacy, translation into the common tongue, and the ability of the common man to interpret that religious literature as he, personally, saw fit. And for the seekers of the status quo, it was the opportunity to burn books in retaliation.

Hence, the wars of religion.

While the web may be available to many, the information that it may provide, the views of others it provides, is subject to both doubt as well as interpretation. Never mind the difficulties of varied languages.

But since the web's provided in electronic form, it can be turned off by the individual (parental control, for instance), just powered down at each individual web viewer, or controlled en masse as China does.

So I suspect that the web's influence will be a bit less divisive than the printing press was.

upgoerfive - 06 Jul 2018 03:17:43 (#7 of 30)

What I reckon is that the Intertubes allows crackpot loonies to easily get in touch with other crackpot loonies who share the same cray-cray.

This seems to (so far) act as a force-multiplier for Stupid.

virgil5 - 06 Jul 2018 06:49:35 (#8 of 30)

Passing fad.

It'll never catch on.

What's wrong with the plop of a good old copy of The Guardian landing on the porch?

GyratingTrampoline - 06 Jul 2018 07:29:00 (#9 of 30)

There's been a trend of rumour based mob lynchings in India and Sri Lanka. People forward fake news stories about some out-group eating babies or whatever and it spirals into real killings very quickly.

upgoerfive - 06 Jul 2018 17:12:02 (#10 of 30)

q.v. my #7

virgil5 - 06 Jul 2018 17:48:46 (#11 of 30)

Go on a chat site where you can be targeted for sales pitches for the rest of your life.

Heh. Nobody would be crazy enough to do that.

GreenFuture - 06 Jul 2018 19:09:43 (#12 of 30)

GT - I nearly referenced that in OP. Read about a lynching of 5 alleged paedos in India that was organised on WhatsApp.

The fall of eastern bloc regimes was hastened by fax.

Rwanda genocide was cuddly old radio-boosted

Our own short lived 2011 riots were aided by social media.

Not to mention the whole Cambridge Analytica type scenarios.

How long before the first mass slaughter rigged up via the instagrams or something?

That said, spree shootings seem to have a copycat aspect via social media, and ISIS had a very good strategy before they got their arses handed to them by Assad, Putin and the Kurds.

Heady daze indeed.

browserbutton - 06 Jul 2018 19:14:19 (#13 of 30)

The alt+right is thriving thanks to the internet and social media. As Snyder rightly says, people want disruption, they want spectacle.

uranrising - 06 Jul 2018 21:26:25 (#14 of 30)

They also want all their prejudices confirmed. 'Net's gr8 for that.

GyratingTrampoline - 06 Jul 2018 22:07:07 (#15 of 30)

This is interesting, from a few months ago

It's about youtube in particular but the bigger picture is that instead of having our media filtered by a self interested human elite, now it is filtered by amoral algorithms whose only objective is to entice us to consume more content. And that this seems to generate a dark synergistic relationship with the trumps of this world.

virgil5 - 07 Jul 2018 10:22:13 (#16 of 30)

You will get a hat.

It will be a good hat.

It will be the best good hat.

RosyLovelady - 07 Jul 2018 10:25:30 (#17 of 30)

Hats are for losers. Get hair.

virgil5 - 07 Jul 2018 10:33:37 (#18 of 30)

Just Google "hair", then follow the directions.

niggler - 07 Jul 2018 16:55:19 (#19 of 30)

The internet's not a problem till it becomes addictive. The real problem is policing it.

mingmong - 07 Jul 2018 18:05:36 (#20 of 30)

There's probably a whole seperate discussion to be had (in the Family folder) about the new use by our kids of YouTube taking the place of TV, and whether or not we should be worried about this

The Minglet has taken to watching endless YT vids that are a spin-off of Roblox (a Minecraft-type game), featuring Roblox characters in dramas that are often painfully corny and badly-acted, but as far as I can see fairly harmless. Furthermore (and I see this as a good thing) they seem to be made by and for people of his own age-group

Mrs Ming has been freaking out about this new trend, having read something about The Dark Web and sadistic Peppa Pig pastiches. Admittedly, the Minglet has been known to watch 'the Scottish Peppa Pig', with its hi-larious sweary language, and one of the Roblox films does feature a fairly sinister looking figure called Guest666 that wrecks violent revenge on bullies.

However, as I pointed out to her the other day, far more traumatic content comes from the headlines on the radio and TV news: a baby-killing nurse one day, raging forest fire the next, boys trapped in a cave with rising water levels, mass killing of old people in a hospital. Its a litany of cruelty, violence and imminent disaster, night after night. Furthermore, it is presented not only as real, but also (in its own insidious way) normal. If that doesn't fuck with you head, I don't what would.

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