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Started by TinyMcOtter on Aug 26, 2018 5:39:46 AM
Arseholes who are given an easy time, because they created nice stuff

There’s a tendency in some quarters to give certain historical figures an easy time because of their creative contributions, or their general engagement with culture.

List and argue about them here.

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TinyMcOtter - 26 Aug 2018 05:40:39 (#1 of 185)

Wagner - racist twat who made annoyingly loud sounds.

TinyMcOtter - 26 Aug 2018 05:43:28 (#2 of 185)

Recent BBC podcast on Albert Speer suggests that “He was the only top Nazi who later apologised for the Holocaust, although he claimed he never knew it was happening.“

He was a cunt who was complicit. Yet he seems to get a slightly grudging pass from ‘cultured’ commentators as ‘the good Nazi’.

ThreeFlewOver - 26 Aug 2018 06:56:20 (#3 of 185)

Picasso

Delighted_User - 26 Aug 2018 07:12:44 (#4 of 185)

I'm not sure what you mean by "given an easy time". Wagner's arseholery is fairly well-known – racism was just a part of it – and there are those of us who think the music was in fact his worst crime.

Bonusy - 26 Aug 2018 07:28:09 (#5 of 185)

Morrissey

Despite him being a whinging fascist, people still haven't burned all his records and airbrushed him from history

AlanII - 26 Aug 2018 07:30:23 (#6 of 185)

I think with The Smiths records it’s down to Johnny Marr’s association. There’s no excuse for the wanker’s solo stuff though.

browserbutton - 26 Aug 2018 07:32:43 (#7 of 185)

Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole.

Delighted_User - 26 Aug 2018 07:38:35 (#8 of 185)

As with Wagner, the arseholery is the least of it with Morrissey. Rossini or someone said that Wagner had some wonderful moments, but dreadful quarter-hours; Morrissey achieved the feat of making a few minutes seem like quarter-hours of torment.

The problem arises when you like the work of the people in question. I used to find Woody Allen funny, and it's much harder now.

Moschops - 26 Aug 2018 07:39:31 (#9 of 185)

I thought this was gonna be a thread about Steve Jobs.

WibbleAgain - 26 Aug 2018 07:54:40 (#10 of 185)

Or Elon Musk. Or Mark Zukerberg.

WibbleAgain - 26 Aug 2018 07:57:06 (#11 of 185)

Or Weinstein until the MeToo movement.

darkhorse - 26 Aug 2018 08:06:41 (#12 of 185)

Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole.

Not like you!

bossab2 - 26 Aug 2018 08:09:20 (#13 of 185)

https://genius.com/Burning-sensations-pablo-picasso-lyrics

Lol !

darkhorse - 26 Aug 2018 08:27:05 (#14 of 185)

Never heard of burning sensations.

I thought it was a John Cale song (the only version that I've heard), but on googling I learn the original is Jonathan Richman.

darkhorse - 26 Aug 2018 08:28:38 (#15 of 185)

Actually John Cale seems to have been a bit of an asshole when he was younger.

FleurDuMal - 26 Aug 2018 08:30:41 (#16 of 185)

I love the poetry of both T.S. Eliot and W.B. Yeats despite the fact that their politics were completely anathema to me.

machiavelli - 26 Aug 2018 08:32:05 (#17 of 185)

Kipling. Best not recite it in a Burmese temple though.

TRaney - 26 Aug 2018 08:33:43 (#18 of 185)

Ezra Pound

TRaney - 26 Aug 2018 08:34:07 (#19 of 185)

Bill Oddie

samesamebutdifferent - 26 Aug 2018 08:35:18 (#20 of 185)

Burning Sensations...that's the version from the Repo Man soundtrack, isn't it?

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