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Started by FrankieTeardrop on Jan 6, 2021 6:39:07 PM
There’s no such thing as talent

It’s all practice, practice, practice.

What do YOU reckon?

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CarlosFandango - 06 Jan 2021 18:40:22 (#1 of 164)

Wrong.

But practice practice practice can get you to a lot better than average.

thisonehasalittlehat - 06 Jan 2021 18:43:44 (#2 of 164)

There's no talent but there is aptitude.

FrankieTeardrop - 06 Jan 2021 18:44:44 (#3 of 164)

Ha

FrankieTeardrop - 06 Jan 2021 18:45:46 (#4 of 164)

This video supports the hypothesis:

https://youtu.be/E_6PskE3zfQ

thisonehasalittlehat - 06 Jan 2021 18:46:17 (#5 of 164)

You can't become a juggler with one arm. And you can't become a singer if you can't sing. Although becoming a good singer is more about practice.

Dubris - 06 Jan 2021 18:48:40 (#6 of 164)

What about the person who becomes technically proficient through long practice but lacks all inspiration? You could play all the right notes in a Bach keyboard work but that wouldn't necessarily make it a musically satisfying performance.

FrankieTeardrop - 06 Jan 2021 18:52:50 (#7 of 164)

Not sure that is the same thing - interesting question though. I think most people would regard anyone who could play the Brandenburg concertos without error as talented, wouldn’t they?

FrankieTeardrop - 06 Jan 2021 18:53:22 (#8 of 164)

Anyone except me I guess. I’d just assumed they’d practiced it a lot.

Dubris - 06 Jan 2021 18:55:30 (#9 of 164)

If somebody gave a lifeless but accurate performance then no, I wouldn't say they were talented.

FrankieTeardrop - 06 Jan 2021 18:57:56 (#10 of 164)

If you showed the final butterfly picture in that video to a person who hadn’t seen the others, they’d think the artist an amazing talent. If you showed them just the first one, they’d think they were drawing just like any other five year old.

If the child did that process 50 more times, the 50th would likely be practical photo-real, and anyone who saw it would deem the child a genius.

So it is just an information issue - when you see someone talented, you simply haven’t seen the figurative 50 earlier butterfly drawings

Dubris - 06 Jan 2021 18:58:04 (#11 of 164)

Perhaps the arts are a bad example.

What about something like riding a horse?

FleurDuMal - 06 Jan 2021 19:00:09 (#12 of 164)

There's no talent but there is aptitude.

I agree - if you see my comment on the other thread, there has to be a combination of aptitude, practice and motivation. For example, not everyone has the ability to be - say - an Olympic athlete. How many people will spend an inordinate amount of time training and working, but never make the grade?

FrankieTeardrop - 06 Jan 2021 19:00:09 (#13 of 164)

If somebody gave a lifeless but accurate performance then no, I wouldn't say they were talented.


If they were aware of this issue, went away and practiced making the performances more lively, for a year, and then you saw them again would you expect the performance to be more lively? And would any increase in liveliness mean they had become more talented?

FrankieTeardrop - 06 Jan 2021 19:01:46 (#14 of 164)

What about something like riding a horse?


Good one. I’ve no talent whatsoever for riding horses. I rode one when I was three years old, and had a horrible allergic reaction, never been near one since.

Rendered - 06 Jan 2021 19:02:36 (#15 of 164)

Has Rosy stolen Frankie's login?

FrankieTeardrop - 06 Jan 2021 19:02:54 (#16 of 164)

As a subsidiary issue - I’ve noticed that a belief in talent can be corrosive

FrankieTeardrop - 06 Jan 2021 19:03:30 (#17 of 164)

Happy New Year Rendered. Was it a good one, booze free?

Rendered - 06 Jan 2021 19:03:59 (#18 of 164)

Don't be ridiculous.

FleurDuMal - 06 Jan 2021 19:04:26 (#19 of 164)

I did ballet as a young ‘un. Firstly, to succeed, you needed to have a body that could adapt to ballet - looseness in the hips, strong ankles and knees and high arches. You also needed to practise like fuck.

Finally, you needed the undefinable quality called ‘personality’. I knew a few girls who were technically perfect, but couldn’t give a convincing performance.

browserbutton - 06 Jan 2021 19:05:22 (#20 of 164)

You can't become a juggler with one arm.

There are plenty of one-armed jugglers on the internet though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=najiOAmlzdo

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