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Started by Dementor on Apr 29, 2021 10:57:54 AM
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Dementor - 29 Apr 2021 10:59:06 (#1 of 283)

People who hold certain, commonplace views, stay silent believing that expressing those views will carry penalty not reward. These are among the findings of a study developed by Cambridge University’s Political Psychology Lab, YouGov, and organizations both of us belong to—MHP Communications (Barron) and The Depolarization Project (Goldsworthy). Our aim is to understand the impact of polarization on British society and help communicators to play a leading role in depolarizing it.

Not that detailed, but perhaps worth a read.

TheValkyrie - 29 Apr 2021 10:59:34 (#2 of 283)

10 Points!

Dementor - 29 Apr 2021 11:00:28 (#3 of 283)

Well, you know, perhaps a more neutral venue was called for.

Dementor - 29 Apr 2021 11:02:04 (#4 of 283)

The Journal of Controversial Ideas offers a forum for careful, rigorous, unpolemical discussion of issues that are widely considered controversial, in the sense that certain views about them might be regarded by many people as morally, socially, or ideologically objectionable or offensive.

Edited (in part) by moral philosopher Peter Singer - no stranger to unusual viewpoints.

TheValkyrie - 29 Apr 2021 11:13:56 (#5 of 283)

He's into eugenics IIRC.

TommyDGNR8 - 29 Apr 2021 11:14:58 (#6 of 283)

The abstracts all appear to have been written under the influence.

Dayraven - 29 Apr 2021 11:18:11 (#7 of 283)

He's into eugenics IIRC.

That *is* something that "we must debate controversial ideas" projects always seem to get round to remarkably quickly.

TheValkyrie - 29 Apr 2021 11:27:56 (#8 of 283)

Oh goody, one of the entries...

"Deflating Byrne’s “Are Women Adult Human Females?”

Prediction: Word Soup/Bullshit.

Also these days saying Women are Adult Human Females is the controversial (and objectively factual) view.

Shadrack22 - 29 Apr 2021 11:29:21 (#9 of 283)

Dementor, you are the man who walks into the rough pub, shouts “Haway then - I’ll take the lot of yers!” and then sustains a medium to heavy beating. Are you a masochist?

cozzer - 29 Apr 2021 11:30:32 (#10 of 283)

(and objectively factual) view.

Define 'objectively factual'

TheValkyrie - 29 Apr 2021 11:33:08 (#11 of 283)

Women has near universally and until about 15 years ago alwaya referred to a sex class of human.

TheValkyrie - 29 Apr 2021 11:34:17 (#12 of 283)

Actually as words can change meaning it's not objectively factual. Wrong choice of words.

cozzer - 29 Apr 2021 11:35:55 (#13 of 283)

But also, you would have to be able to define what a woman (or, if you like, what a sex class) is.

Dementor - 29 Apr 2021 11:39:11 (#14 of 283)

I posted this on the Trans thread yesterday:

Which was Simone de Beauvoir’s 1949 take on the role of biology on what it means to be a woman.

Obviously some anachronism, but she was covering all the bases of the modern debate.

Sunfish - 29 Apr 2021 11:41:17 (#15 of 283)

A woman is an adult human female, Cozzer. It’s really not that hard.

cozzer - 29 Apr 2021 11:42:39 (#16 of 283)

What's female?

TheValkyrie - 29 Apr 2021 11:43:46 (#17 of 283)


Sex Class is categorised by the method of sexual reproduction.

I have a definition for Woman. Adult Human Female with the last bit being the sex class.

TheValkyrie - 29 Apr 2021 11:45:03 (#18 of 283)


The sub-group thst produces the large gamete and carries the embryo/child.

Hilary - 29 Apr 2021 11:45:41 (#19 of 283)

Dementor, you are the man who walks into the rough pub, shouts “Haway then - I’ll take the lot of yers!” and then sustains a medium to heavy beating. Are you a masochist?

No smilies, no avatars, no flashing gifs. Just a rough pub where discussing the issues of the day in a manner transgressive of received bien-pensant opinion will get you a medium to heavy beating.

Dementor - 29 Apr 2021 11:46:31 (#20 of 283)

Yeah, it’s a head-scratcher if you remember the 90s Internet.

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