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Started by Ebadlun on Sep 17, 2021 10:41:48 PM
What is 'Gammon'?

Not the literal meaty meaning, obviously.

A term that apparently came into existence in 2017, it seems so useful to describe people we don't like.

But what do we mean by it? Is it demographic? Class-based? Or just a state of mind?

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Verdigris - 17 Sep 2021 21:44:06 (#1 of 161)

I'd tell you but I'm scared of moto.

I think Charles Dickens employed the term but I don't know if he invented it.

TheFLUFFIESTKittenEvah - 17 Sep 2021 21:47:16 (#2 of 161)

This may be helpful:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gam
mon-left-wing-political-insult-twitter-racism-debate-right-charles-dickens-a8352281.html

Ebadlun - 17 Sep 2021 22:50:24 (#3 of 161)

one gentleman in the rear did not scruple to remark aloud, that, for his purpose, it savoured rather too much of a 'gammon' tendency.



The meaning of that term—gammon,' said Mr. Gregsbury, 'is unknown to me. If it means that I grow a little too fervid, or perhaps even hyperbolical, in extolling my native land, I admit the full justice of the remark. I am proud of this free and happy country. My form dilates, my eye glistens, my breast heaves, my heart swells, my bosom burns, when I call to mind her greatness and her glory



Apparently it was known to only that one fictional bit-player, the gentleman at the back. A most intriguing excerpt.

Ebadlun - 17 Sep 2021 23:39:21 (#4 of 161)

I'm inclined to use 'gammon' to describe a mindset rather than class, race or excess of blood to the cheeks.

I'm connected on FB to a former lecturer of mine who is socially liberal, pro-Europe, and the most moderate of Tories, and only recently hit 60.

But spends a good deal of time railing against literally anything contemporary, whether its Extinction Rebellion, Woke, cyclists, modern pop music - the anger he seems to have for these things just being there, and the energy he spends decrying them, is utterly baffling.

It might be deployed in a different direction, but it's the same mindset I see in the worst brexiteer - incomprehension leading to fear and anger.

I mean, I don't what the fuck half of TikTok is all about, but I just assume it means something to the youngsters and swipe on.

Shadrack22 - 17 Sep 2021 23:45:23 (#5 of 161)

What is 'Gammon'?

Culturally conservative people who don’t like the world as it is now.

DesEsseintes - 17 Sep 2021 23:53:51 (#6 of 161)

Fat middle aged blokes with red faces who drink a lot.

Or is that Father Christmases?

Ebadlun - 18 Sep 2021 00:07:59 (#7 of 161)

Fat middle aged blokes with red faces who drink a lot.



You can be all that but still have a flexible mindset. According to, um, a friend of mine.

Tinymcsmithy - 18 Sep 2021 00:13:42 (#8 of 161)

Entitled self-opinionated purveyors of ‘common sense’ (and racism).

The inability to move beyond the self-centred assumption that their little England opinion is a norm that is being encroached upon by ‘others’.

Usually male. But the female version often uses the phrase ‘our country our rules’.

Ebadlun - 18 Sep 2021 00:15:07 (#9 of 161)

Nah, definitely not usually male. At least the mindset, the actual ruddy complexion probably is.

cozzer - 18 Sep 2021 08:15:20 (#10 of 161)

I'm connected on FB to a former lecturer of mine who is socially liberal, [...] But spends a good deal of time railing against literally anything contemporary, whether its Extinction Rebellion, Woke, cyclists, modern pop music

That doesn't sound very socially liberal.

browserbutton - 18 Sep 2021 09:18:14 (#11 of 161)

Sounds torrid and horrid and facially florid.

InternationalVicar - 18 Sep 2021 09:18:25 (#12 of 161)

<people's views can be more than one-dimensional - shock>

RosyLovelady - 18 Sep 2021 09:19:23 (#13 of 161)

It's possible to be dissatisfied with the world today without being at all gammonised about it.

InternationalVicar - 18 Sep 2021 09:20:31 (#14 of 161)

See also: Karen, which at least isn't a colour based hate word.

Catspyjamas17 - 18 Sep 2021 09:22:30 (#15 of 161)

Karen is specifically white, specifically women and specifically mature women, so manages to tick three boxes.

solomongursky - 18 Sep 2021 08:23:31 (#16 of 161)

Father Christmas is 1685 years old.

AlanII - 18 Sep 2021 08:33:44 (#17 of 161)

Yes, Gammon denotes a mind set rather than a colour/race/age/class etc. It’s not even confined to the U.K. There are Gammon everywhere.

LomaxFairchild - 18 Sep 2021 09:49:17 (#18 of 161)

Innate anger at a world that isn't arranged exactly to their prejudices is key attribute of the gammonati, IME.

lapsedcat - 18 Sep 2021 09:51:53 (#19 of 161)

Gammon applies to highly opinionated people with regrettable and outdated views who presuppose you share their views and use phrases like “I’m just saying what everyone else is thinking.”

LomaxFairchild - 18 Sep 2021 10:00:12 (#20 of 161)

Also, in answer to the accusation bandied around by brave culture warriors on the right in order to undermine those who use the word pejoratively, gammon is not governed by class.

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