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Started by vodkaandcoke2 on Oct 29, 2021 4:47:07 PM
People who qualify ‘the NHS is free’ with ‘no it isn’t’

Whenever a discussion on healthcare occurs, someone will point out that the NHS is free. Which is clearly true. Even a tramp who has never worked a day in their life will get free treatment. So it’s free regardless of wealth. No need to qualify that.

Yet inevitably, someone that will pipe up ‘no it isn’t’ and often also add ‘it’s free at the point of delivery’.

What’s their point (or are different people making different points)?

That it is paid for by taxes? OK, sure, but that’s a truism. So what point are these people making? Is it to point out that it’s a good thing that society is taking care of everyone, or is it a ‘right wing’ dig at supporters of socialised medicine?

Or something else?

vodkaandcoke2 - 29 Oct 2021 16:52:32 (#1 of 206)

Genuinely intrigued by the way, as these conversations seem to go in circles.

AdonisBlue - 29 Oct 2021 16:53:43 (#2 of 206)

I pay for my monthly prescriptions, which add up when you are falling to bits like me. Wish I was Scottish.

DesEsseintes - 29 Oct 2021 16:55:53 (#3 of 206)

They're just saying people with no money should be exterminated.

TommyDGNR8 - 29 Oct 2021 16:56:38 (#4 of 206)

#2 Get a season ticket - two quid a week.

vodkaandcoke2 - 29 Oct 2021 16:57:39 (#5 of 206)

Well I’m never sure tbh.

It often appears that the person adding those qualifications is making a key point. But it’s rarely clear what that point is.

tasselhoff - 29 Oct 2021 16:58:52 (#6 of 206)

It's paid for by taxation and you don't pay anything at the point of delivery. What's the issue? Of course it's not free.

TommyDGNR8 - 29 Oct 2021 16:59:01 (#7 of 206)

Usually "I'm paying for it with my taxes, you spongeing bastard".

AdonisBlue - 29 Oct 2021 16:59:21 (#8 of 206)

#4 Just 2? I pay £30 a month for as many prescriptions as I want but £8 would be better. How?

TommyDGNR8 - 29 Oct 2021 17:00:31 (#9 of 206)

£30 should buy you a quarterly pre-payment cert. An annual one costs £108.

TommyDGNR8 - 29 Oct 2021 17:01:01 (#10 of 206)

AdonisBlue - 29 Oct 2021 17:01:26 (#11 of 206)


vodkaandcoke2 - 29 Oct 2021 17:01:58 (#12 of 206)

Of course it’s free. It’s free healthcare. You don’t pay anything to receive it. That’s the point.

tasselhoff - 29 Oct 2021 17:04:33 (#13 of 206)

I pay health insurance in France. I still don't pay anything to receive the healthcare. Is that free?

A few people may never have paid taxes, but they still pay vat. It doesn't really matter whether the cost is individualised or collective, it still gets paid for.

Atticus - 29 Oct 2021 17:04:54 (#14 of 206)


It's not free. You pay via taxes.

hailesaladdie - 29 Oct 2021 17:06:00 (#15 of 206)

From each according to means, to each according to need.

Atticus - 29 Oct 2021 17:07:07 (#16 of 206)

Calls Senator Mccarthy.

vodkaandcoke2 - 29 Oct 2021 17:21:11 (#17 of 206)

When someone says that the NHS is free, they are inevitably comparing it to the US, where it isn’t. In the UK you don’t have to pay for healthcare. It’s as simple as that. You are treated for free. You are not means tested. It costs you nothing. It is free. Even if you’ve never paid tax in your life.

You’re making broader points about general taxation policies. Which is fine if that’s what’s being discussed.

So yes, if you can afford it, you pay general taxation, some of which goes to fund healthcare. But that’s obviously a separate topic. It seems odd to attach that qualifier when discussing free healthcare.

So my question is, why raise the issue?

tasselhoff - 29 Oct 2021 17:22:27 (#18 of 206)

But that’s obviously a separate topic.

Why, when it literally answers your question?

AdonisBlue - 29 Oct 2021 17:23:19 (#19 of 206)

Yes who are we arguing against here? I've never met these people who say the NHS is not free.

tasselhoff - 29 Oct 2021 17:23:28 (#20 of 206)

why raise the issue?

Because it's free at the point of use. Not free. FFS

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