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Started by Tinymcsmithy on Dec 15, 2021 6:24:23 AM
Lock them up! The richest countries are vaccine hoarders. Try them in international court.

"Millions have died unnecessarily of Covid and millions more will in 2022 unless something changes. Justice must be done"

"The UK, Canada, Germany and other EU states have supported a deliberate policy to withhold vaccines from the poorest countries in the world, and defended an immoral and unethical economic system which places big pharma patents ahead of millions of lives. In this context, is the only option left to ask whether the states facilitating this might be prosecuted in the international criminal court, on the grounds of a crime against humanity?"

Tinymcsmithy - 15 Dec 2021 06:27:37 (#1 of 12)

I'm not against this, but I also think that the hoarding argument misses the point a bit.

Wealthy countries hoarding vaccines would be less of an issue if the vaccine manufacturers (many of whom are at least partially publicly funded) lifted patents and/or produced more vaccines and distributed them widely.

machiavelli - 15 Dec 2021 09:52:46 (#2 of 12)

You can't really prosecute someone for not giving someone else something they're not obliged to give.

Tinymcsmithy - 15 Dec 2021 10:08:40 (#3 of 12)

If the will is there, you can.

But that’s not the point. Capital will do what capital wants.

Dubris - 15 Dec 2021 11:21:09 (#4 of 12)

Wouldn't each government just argue that it was fulfilling its primary duty by putting the interests of its own citizens first?

Atticus - 15 Dec 2021 11:25:29 (#5 of 12)



If they were preventing excess stocks being issued or even allowing prices to be set limiting access to poorer countries then it would be another matter.*

*Which is a problem with some medicines.

It illustrates global inequality in terms of resources and access but directing healthcare to your own citizens first as a crime? Good luck with that.

GyratingTrampoline - 15 Dec 2021 11:26:46 (#6 of 12)

It's quite possible for something to be a crime against humanity whilst also constituting "putting the interests of your own citizens first"

Arjuna - 15 Dec 2021 11:39:34 (#7 of 12)

The AZ vaccine was developed in conjunction with Oxford University aided by the UK government largely on a non profit basis. According to Professor Costello it sells for $2 and two billion have been delivered. Is that a crime against humanity?

AstraZeneca and its partners have released for supply two billion doses of their COVID-19 vaccine to more than 170 countries across every continent on the planet in the last 11 months.

Approximately two-thirds of these have gone to low- and lower-middle-income countries, including more than 175 million doses delivered to 130 countries through the COVAX Facility.

This milestone comes just over 18 months after AstraZeneca and Oxford University formed their landmark partnership for the global development and distribution of a not-for-profit COVID-19 vaccine for the world, and less than 12 months after its first emergency authorisation in the UK.

wickeltisch - 15 Dec 2021 11:43:06 (#8 of 12)

Hardly anyone wanted Astra Zeneca in Germany, so Germany gave away most of it. Of course you can argue that it's not very nice to give away things no one here wants but they're thought to be good enough for third world countries..

YuleNeverWalkAlone - 18 Dec 2021 11:22:23 (#9 of 12)

I've had AZ twice and never been troubled by Covid, so I'm inclined to think it's helpful.

Tinymcsmithy - 18 Dec 2021 13:40:10 (#10 of 12)

That’s what Bill Gates wants you to think.

Intowntonight - 18 Dec 2021 13:59:37 (#11 of 12)

Has the pulsating bar-code on your forehead gone yet ?:

mine, you can still just about see.

Tinymcsmithy - 18 Dec 2021 14:10:48 (#12 of 12)

I thought it was just me.

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