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Started by angelico on May 15, 2022 7:39:32 PM
What orthodoxies do you question?

Stuff that everyone else seems to simply accept?

I was watching some crap tv today and a character said something like “you have to understand what caused you to be like this before you can move past it”.

Sort of thing everyone says, coming from Freud and therapists ever since, I guess. I bet most people accept it and nod wisely.

I also bet it’s a load of unevidenced shite and, further, that there’s a lot of it about.

TenGorillas - 15 May 2022 19:45:48 (#1 of 415)

Niche: that literary translation is equal in creativity to authorship. I'd be absolutely slaughtered if I came clean about that, professionally.

angelico - 15 May 2022 19:46:17 (#2 of 415)

I suppose positive thinking is another one.

That’s bollox as well, though less damaging.

angelico - 15 May 2022 19:47:10 (#3 of 415)

Cross post, soz.

Is translation a sort of cover version, TG?

mingmong - 15 May 2022 19:53:15 (#4 of 415)

That consciousness is unique to human beings

FleurDuMal - 15 May 2022 20:53:18 (#5 of 415)

I suppose positive thinking is another one.

I worked for someone once, who was obsessed with positive thinking. He was a nightmare; everyone was thoroughly demoralised.

TenGorillas - 15 May 2022 20:53:34 (#6 of 415)

I'd say so, angelico. It's a hell of a lot faster than actually writing a book, you don't have to do any plotting or anything, and translators are in practical terms largely interchangeable. But this is absolute infidel talk in the industry.

limegreen - 15 May 2022 21:09:51 (#7 of 415)

#1 Interesting one. I guess it also depends what the writer is writing. Some books and authors are more creative than others. But I can see that the translater, even if translating the most wonderful piece of literature is seriously limited in their brief. I'm assuming a fairly straight translation here; if you go for a very, er 'creative' translation then that's a bit different.

popstar7 - 15 May 2022 21:16:43 (#8 of 415)

Sorry, angelico, but variations on ‘the NHS is our nation’s greatest asset/achievement and the people who work in it are heroes’ is my pet-hate orthodoxy. Even Tories feel obliged to nod along with this, if not wholeheartedly embrace it.

Shadrack22 - 15 May 2022 21:22:08 (#9 of 415)

Yes, definitely the NHS orthodoxy.

popstar7 - 15 May 2022 21:37:56 (#10 of 415)

The orthodoxy that fried breakfasts (English/Scottish/Ulster) are a desirable first meal of the day. Or even a guilty pleasure.

angelico - 15 May 2022 21:53:13 (#11 of 415)

Well, pops, I fall in with your greatest achievement orthodoxy but not with the heroes one - and I doubt anyone in the service does either: we are too close. I’m not sure who promotes that one, in fact. Though there was genuine heroism during the pandemic, which I would hope everyone could agree.

angelico - 15 May 2022 21:54:02 (#12 of 415)

And fried breakfasts are gross until lunchtime, and often even then, so we can agree on that.

Tinymcsmithy - 15 May 2022 21:55:52 (#13 of 415)

That people should vote labour as the lesser evil even though they are abusive right wing cunts.

popstar7 - 15 May 2022 22:00:42 (#14 of 415)

I know we have different perspectives on this, angelico. And, for background, my mum was among the first batch of Irish nurses brought in to staff the NHS after the war (worked on Roger Bannister’s staff, as she recalled) and considered it a vocation, not a job. So I have a solid connection to the institution.

I just think the discourse around it has got a bit silly and over-reverent. It’s a public health delivery service, most countries have one. They don’t go all weak-kneed and weepy in Portugal/Denmark/South Korea over having a health care system.

angelico - 15 May 2022 22:04:32 (#15 of 415)

Yeah, I get that. But - as you know - our service has been under a massive attack from the right since it started, but especially since firstly 1979 and then 2010.

It doesn’t make anyone heroes but it for sure needs defending from those who like shot of it.

angelico - 15 May 2022 22:06:24 (#16 of 415)

I’m surprised nobody has defended the therapy orthodoxy, I have to say. Early days though.

champagnerocker - 15 May 2022 22:10:02 (#17 of 415)

Although the care the NHS provides when you are sick is invariably top notch the bureaucracy is a Kafkaesque shambles that is incredibly stressful to deal with.

My GP will not issue my prescription until I have had a blood test. However, my GP will not issue a form for me to have my blood tested until after I asked for a prescription and been told I can't have one.

I had an outpatients apppointment last week (over the phone). Despite ringing them a fortnight earlier (and spending 20mins on hold) to emphasise that they should contact me on my work telephone number they did not call me. Just like they didn't call me in 2021 as well.

popstar7 - 15 May 2022 22:12:48 (#18 of 415)

You want Covid heroes (heroines)? Check out you local private care home. £10/hour to literally risk your life back in 2020-2021 with bin bags for PPE and residents dying in droves.

My brother works in adult social care - when the NHS staff who typically went out to see people in their homes (district nurses, health visitors etc.) stopped doing so in March 2020, ASC carried on. The disparity did not go unnoticed.

carterbrandon - 15 May 2022 22:13:23 (#19 of 415)

#7: I can't say I like the system where a theatre producer commissions some anonymous expert to do a literal translation of some famous play, which then gets handed to a famous writer (who doesn't understand the language) who gets star billing for turning it into their 'translation' or 'new version'.

angelico - 15 May 2022 22:14:14 (#20 of 415)

It’s quite true about bureaucracy. But remember where most of it comes from: the p-p split. The commissioning and regulatory requirements are the most complicated and most crap and amateur at the same time, and are a national bloody disgrace.

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