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Started by vodkaandcoke2 on Sep 22, 2021 10:57:35 AM
So, after all these years, Macs are still better than PCs

I mean c'mon we know it's true.

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vodkaandcoke2 - 22 Sep 2021 11:23:26 (#1 of 68)

The hardware is incomparable of course.

But the operating system is still nicer to use. Clicking the Windows start menu is like wading into a swamp looking for things.

Horrible.

tasselhoff - 22 Sep 2021 11:26:18 (#2 of 68)

The hardware is incomparable of course

Don't modern Macs use x64 the same as PCs?

Or have they moved on to ARM?

vodkaandcoke2 - 22 Sep 2021 11:30:12 (#3 of 68)

I was thinking about the fact that Microsoft do not make hardware but Apple do.

They do use x64. But Apple are starting to go over to something called an M1 chip, which they manufacture themselves I think. But I'm still getting my head around it all. They did used to make their own chips back in the day or was that Motorola?

TheExcession - 22 Sep 2021 11:32:03 (#4 of 68)

I think whether PCs or Macs are better tends to boil down to a) what you want it for and b) what you're used to.

Apple don't make their own hardware any more than any other computer brand does. They essentially assemble a kit of parts from various component manufacturers and stick it inside their own branded case, and even that process can be sub-contracted to another provider (iPhones, for example, are actually put together by Foxconn, a Taiwanese company with factories in China)

lammaMia - 22 Sep 2021 11:37:55 (#5 of 68)

Motorola chips powered the oldest Apple PCs. Power architecture was designed by an alliance that included Apple. M1 is Apple designed.

vodkaandcoke2 - 22 Sep 2021 11:45:11 (#6 of 68)

Ah right. Thanks.

vodkaandcoke2 - 22 Sep 2021 11:47:17 (#7 of 68)

Well, I suppose it depends on what you mean by make. Apple may not have their own factories, but they design and specify to a high degree.

The point though is that as they make the OS they ensure that it runs best on the hardware. Microsoft don't have that privilege.

Moschops - 22 Sep 2021 11:50:54 (#8 of 68)

No, but I doubt that PC manufacturers are unaware that the vast majority of their machines will be running Windows

slicey - 22 Sep 2021 12:02:24 (#9 of 68)

This troll thread brought to you from 1996.

AlanII - 22 Sep 2021 12:13:15 (#10 of 68)

Heh. I'm a Mac user since about 1991/2, but my favourite joke about this around then was:

What's the most irritating thing about a Macintosh?

The constant whine emitted by the user.

A later source of amusement that got me into a bit of trouble when I posted it to a principally Mac based forum was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wooR7P8qjY

vodkaandcoke2 - 22 Sep 2021 13:35:05 (#11 of 68)

I miss Mac vs PC debates.

It’s not the same as the old days.

slicey - 22 Sep 2021 12:46:18 (#12 of 68)

We can argue about how they are both shit compared to Linux if you like?

+10 points for the person who says "Of course, MacOS is LINUX really".

vodkaandcoke2 - 22 Sep 2021 13:47:20 (#13 of 68)

Yeah but who understands linux?

tasselhoff - 22 Sep 2021 13:47:56 (#14 of 68)

FreeBSD

slicey - 22 Sep 2021 12:54:05 (#15 of 68)

FreeBSD + several million lines of proprietary, closed source code almost certianly as bad as anything MSFT ever wrote and in a shit language to boot.

tasselhoff - 22 Sep 2021 13:55:20 (#16 of 68)

Is that mainly GUI-related?

slicey - 22 Sep 2021 12:58:20 (#17 of 68)

Everything but the kernel. The kernel is also based on FreeBSD but was not the same and was only open sourced a few years ago.

thePiMan - 22 Sep 2021 13:17:34 (#18 of 68)

Or have they moved on to ARM?

Both Apple and Microsoft produce ARM-only devices. The M1 silicon chip used in some macs and the Microsoft Surface Pro X

The VM on my Macbook Pro for Windows 11 now has:

C:\Program Files

C:\Program Files (x86)

C:\Program Files (ARM)

upgoerfive - 22 Sep 2021 14:21:23 (#19 of 68)

IIRC, the kernel was named 'Mach' (often stated to be a pun on 'Mac', but not true), and was dragged over in Steve Jobs' baggage from NeXT.

I've often thought that the desktop segment of Apple was pretty much Jobs having a second attept at NeXT - UNIX-based machines running a custom graphical desktop interface, all housed in a slick and expensive case. This time using industry-standard hardware to keep the costs reasonable.

vodkaandcoke2 - 22 Sep 2021 14:23:05 (#20 of 68)

Jobs seemed obsessed with dragging that NeXt bollox over to the Mac.

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