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Started by nrv0us on Sep 7, 2018 1:28:44 PM
"Drinkers Like Me" -- Adrian Chiles BBC doc

Just catching up with this on iPlayer, and it's very thought-provoking stuff, about people who drink more than the recommended 14 units a week, but wouldn't be considered alcoholics. It's a pretty middle-class-centric show (what!?? On the BBC???) but there was some interesting stuff in it, and it has made me think about my relationship with alcohol.

Anyone else catch it? Thoughts?

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helbel - 07 Sep 2018 13:31:33 (#1 of 279)

I saw it. I was forcefully reminded of my brother and his drinking.

SheikYerbouti - 07 Sep 2018 13:33:01 (#2 of 279)

What about people who drink more than the recommended 14 units per week but less than the formerly recommended 28 units a week? When it comes to made up recommendations, its important to know where you stand.

TRaney - 07 Sep 2018 13:34:42 (#3 of 279)

It was interesting though veered into being more about how sad Chiles is.

Also there was a silly bit to camera where he exclaims "I'm still no nearer the answer" like he was on some quest.

He looks a bit thin for all the drink he's tucking away.

I also liked the fact that it wasn't all about alcohol as an escape but acknowledged that it's fucking fun.

Jonked - 07 Sep 2018 13:34:53 (#4 of 279)

I thought it was excellent, though didn't think Frank Skinner was particularly helpful or insightful.

Although I didn't drink as much as Adrian Chiles (apart perhaps the odd bad week) I drank in a similar way - most days, socially, knew my limit in terms of when to stop drunken-wise but drinking way way too much. I don't really drink any more at all because gradually hangovers became so bad it was affecting my whole life. I kind of think that was a lucky break now really as I had a reason to do something about it.

I really felt for him as some of his experiences - especially the whole struggle of moderation - really resonated. It's a lot easier to stop altogether because alcohol has such a powerful grip on you even if you're not an alcoholic as such.

nrv0us - 07 Sep 2018 13:37:20 (#5 of 279)

Partly for financial reasons and partly through being a bit of a lightweight, a couple of pints or half a bottle of wine on any given night is about my limit. Still, the message of the show seemed to be that less is always better.

TRaney - 07 Sep 2018 13:37:38 (#6 of 279)

I don't really drink any more at all because gradually hangovers became so bad it was affecting my whole life.

I've shifted from social drinker where this would be the case, and the drinking was more bingy less often, to recreational drinker at home, as a result of having kids/no friends. The problem is I can easily drink a bottle of wine gently over an evening without much ill effect in the morning. So I probably drink more but feel better. And can therefore tell myself all sorts of lies.

nrv0us - 07 Sep 2018 13:38:03 (#7 of 279)

Also interesting that it went into the teen years as being a formative time in people's relationship with alcohol.

TRaney - 07 Sep 2018 13:39:57 (#8 of 279)

It's a lot easier to stop altogether because alcohol has such a powerful grip on you even if you're not an alcoholic as such.

I think, like smoking, there is a strong element of habit, and contexts where you allow yourself to drink. All day I can have no inclination and even feel averse, then at dinnertime I feel like a glass.

gordonthemoron - 07 Sep 2018 13:40:22 (#9 of 279)

working from home has done me in

RosyLovelady - 07 Sep 2018 13:41:00 (#10 of 279)

< recreational drinker at home >

This manner of drinking is often frowned on for reasons which I don't quite understand. It seems to me that you're far less likely to get into trouble of all kinds if that's your style of drinking.

Arjuna - 07 Sep 2018 13:41:01 (#11 of 279)

"I'm still no nearer the answer"

What was the question?

Jonked - 07 Sep 2018 13:41:02 (#12 of 279)

I know this is probably a bit of a controversial view but although alcohol is great fun, I think if you are drinking more than the genuinely very moderate, it has a way of crowding out other sources of fun. Eg if you are at a restaurant or a day out somewhere or even film or theatre and don't have a drink you end up feeling deprived. I know I seem to appreciate simpler sources of pleasure a lot more now I don't have the regular hit from alcohol.

TRaney - 07 Sep 2018 13:42:00 (#13 of 279)

Also interesting that it went into the teen years as being a formative time in people's relationship with alcohol.

And how defined by alcohol socialising is, normally for a certain sort of bloke. A few years ago I tried with a friend to revise our habits away from pubs and it was hard.

dottie30 - 07 Sep 2018 13:42:03 (#14 of 279)

It's a lot easier to stop altogether because alcohol has such a powerful grip on you even if you're not an alcoholic as such.



I can remember something one of the founders of alcoholics anonymous (I think) once said.

It's not whether you can stop drinking. Alcoholics stop all the time - sometimes for months on end. It's whether you can stop at one. Go into a bar, order a small beer and then walk away without even a glance back.

SheikYerbouti - 07 Sep 2018 13:43:44 (#15 of 279)

I think if you are drinking more than the genuinely very moderate, it has a way of crowding out other sources of fun.

I dunno, you say 'crowdng out' I say 'complementing'. Why wouldn't a nice meal be improved by a nice glass of wine?

Jonked - 07 Sep 2018 13:45:19 (#16 of 279)

I dunno, you say 'crowdng out' I say 'complementing'. Why wouldn't a nice meal be improved by a nice glass of wine?

I would have thought that when I was drinking Sheik, but I don't any more. Being sober a while does change your perspective. But we are all individuals, I'm not trying to preach.

Leftie - 07 Sep 2018 13:49:31 (#17 of 279)

George Michael, Amy Winehouse. Two heavy drinkers though the former was drinking quietly.

There were a few news articles a couple of weeks ago about women drinking 3 bottles of wine in a week. They didn't realise how much drink they were getting through. 3 bottles of wine is an awful lot.

I quite like some of the alcohol-free ciders and beers but it really isn't the same.

RosyLovelady - 07 Sep 2018 13:50:01 (#18 of 279)

< Why wouldn't a nice meal be improved by a nice glass of wine? >

Because it would send me to sleep. Far better to do the drinking beforehand.

Rendered - 07 Sep 2018 13:50:49 (#19 of 279)

As with everything in life, whatever works.

I've been teetotal before for an extended period and I can't say it noticeably made life better. So many other factors come into play with regard to a happy/full/contented life.

SheikYerbouti - 07 Sep 2018 13:51:18 (#20 of 279)

I would have thought that when I was drinking Sheik, but I don't any more. Being sober a while does change your perspective. But we are all individuals, I'm not trying to preach.

Each to their own, of course. I can't be expected to spend time with most people I know without a few beers to take the edge off!

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